The Intersection with Dr. J + Friends
Jun 26, 2026 · 48 min · 12 segments
*In a moment marked by declining church attendance and religious affiliation, competing truth claims, and growing scepticism toward institutions, Dr. J chats with Luke Cawley to explore a pressing…
Luke CawleyGuestJustinHostAnd so a lot of Christians, at least in North America, have noticed that things have changed culturally, but they struggle to articulate what it is.
What have you seen in how people are relating to Christianity today, people that are not already in the evangelical arena?

I mean, in our setting in Britain, for example, church attendance has maybe been around 10% for about 40 years.

So quite often a person's view on the faith will be filtered through media or different secondhand impressions that they have.

I think in the US you have a slightly different situation where rather than people perhaps have had more experience and more proximity of the church through people that they know or through their upbringing and the negative or positive impressions are born of experience and not not only of something received so I think we're wrestling with slightly different different things there
I

think we I think the ignorance thing is interesting in Britain because I think that 15 years ago, maybe people had objections to the Christian faith.

So this really affects your apologetic because you're not responding to identifiable questions.

We've made a shift from objections to intuitions and we actually, we have to respond in a way to things that people struggle to even articulate for themselves, which then affects not only the topics that you're dealing with, the type of environments that you create that should do enable people to articulate those and enable us to hear them and enable us perhaps to articulate them on their behalf and give them a chance to kind of dialogue, interact, that kind of thing.
And that reminds me of what I've seen firsthand.
noticed a shift in the university setting.
And usually what's happening in Europe trickles later into the States and universities, large cities.
These different cosmopolitan settings are the places that feel at first where I don't see the animosity.
I see an indifference.
And so a lot of Christians, at least in North America, have noticed that things have changed culturally, but they struggle to articulate what it is.
What have you seen in how people are relating to Christianity today, people that are not already in the evangelical arena?

I mean, in our setting in Britain, for example, church attendance has maybe been around 10% for about 40 years.

So quite often a person's view on the faith will be filtered through media or different secondhand impressions that they have.

I think in the US you have a slightly different situation where rather than people perhaps have had more experience and more proximity of the church through people that they know or through their upbringing and the negative or positive impressions are born of experience and not not only of something received so I think we're wrestling with slightly different different things there
I

think we I think the ignorance thing is interesting in Britain because I think that 15 years ago, maybe people had objections to the Christian faith.

So this really affects your apologetic because you're not responding to identifiable questions.

We've made a shift from objections to intuitions and we actually, we have to respond in a way to things that people struggle to even articulate for themselves, which then affects not only the topics that you're dealing with, the type of environments that you create that should do enable people to articulate those and enable us to hear them and enable us perhaps to articulate them on their behalf and give them a chance to kind of dialogue, interact, that kind of thing.
And that reminds me of what I've seen firsthand.
noticed a shift in the university setting.
And usually what's happening in Europe trickles later into the States and universities, large cities.
These different cosmopolitan settings are the places that feel at first where I don't see the animosity.
I see an indifference.
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