Making the Argument with Nick Freitas
Oct 9, 2026 · 58 min · 10 segments
Zohran Mamdani’s rise has put democratic socialism, and the DSA behind it, at the center of American politics, with a promise to make life more affordable and dignified for everyone. But is capitalism…
Charles SteeleGuest
And I'm also director of the Hutchison Center for Commerce and Freedom, which is an, uh, a program that we have.

We do conferences, and it's outreach and developing our ideas further on, uh, education and economics and business.
Uh, like, w- we'll break all that down, and you're one of those evil capitalists that just want to exploit the-
the laborers and, and, uh, you know, don't want all the wonderful things that Zoran Mamdani wants for some sort of evil, nefarious reason.
There was an interview recently, uh, one with Jon Stewart, another one with Theo Von.
That, that's not his role, so I don't expect him to ask a lot of probing questions.
But I expected a little bit more out of Jon Stewart, because both of them essentially asked what Democratic socialism was, and Zoran Mamdani's response to Jon Stewart was, "It's just choosing to wake up every day and fight for the dignity of everyone." With Theo Von, he got a little bit more specific and he, he, again, he leaned into this idea that what Democratic socialism is, is believing in providing kind of a, a certain quality of life and the dignity of all individuals, and that it's, quote, "the government's job to make that happen." What does Mamdani really wanna do? How does he plan to make good on these kind of grandiose promises?

I think he really is either well-trained or really understands how to be, how to sound persuasive, but he sounds good.

No specifics, nothing like that about how he would accomplish any of the things.

"We want dignity, and we want everybody to be wealthy and, uh, do well," and all this sort of thing.

And I'm also director of the Hutchison Center for Commerce and Freedom, which is an, uh, a program that we have.

We do conferences, and it's outreach and developing our ideas further on, uh, education and economics and business.
Uh, like, w- we'll break all that down, and you're one of those evil capitalists that just want to exploit the-
the laborers and, and, uh, you know, don't want all the wonderful things that Zoran Mamdani wants for some sort of evil, nefarious reason.
There was an interview recently, uh, one with Jon Stewart, another one with Theo Von.
That, that's not his role, so I don't expect him to ask a lot of probing questions.
But I expected a little bit more out of Jon Stewart, because both of them essentially asked what Democratic socialism was, and Zoran Mamdani's response to Jon Stewart was, "It's just choosing to wake up every day and fight for the dignity of everyone." With Theo Von, he got a little bit more specific and he, he, again, he leaned into this idea that what Democratic socialism is, is believing in providing kind of a, a certain quality of life and the dignity of all individuals, and that it's, quote, "the government's job to make that happen." What does Mamdani really wanna do? How does he plan to make good on these kind of grandiose promises?

I think he really is either well-trained or really understands how to be, how to sound persuasive, but he sounds good.

No specifics, nothing like that about how he would accomplish any of the things.

"We want dignity, and we want everybody to be wealthy and, uh, do well," and all this sort of thing.
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