Oct 15, 2026 · 1 hr 15 min · 10 segments
The first of several episodes where we cover the later years of Martin Luther. Today, Andrew and Connor look at Luther as a liturgist, lute-player, and hymn author, how the major Reformers across the…
Andrew ChristiansenHostConnorGuestYeah, I mean, I'm, I'm sure that I do.
Um, again, it's... [laughs] I, I don't think comparatively, I guess.
Let me think about that.
I, um, I...
A Mighty Fortress is great, but I think he's got ones out there that are honestly way better.
Um, the Deutsche Messe as a whole I think is fa- fascinating and fantastic in its own way.
I don't think that it should ever really replace, um, like a standard, uh, like Lutheran divine service as you'd find it in, for example, uh, DS III or DS one and two, or even like the Formula missa.
I don't think it was really a good replacement for the Formula missa.
But I do think that it's fascinating in its own right.
Um, and some of his musical instincts sort of show when he's writing that book.
... um, where he's talking about retaining certain, um, medieval Latin Gregorian style, certain chanting tones, and he's using that together with German hymnody, which you can read those, uh, sing those even, you know, read the music notes and look at the, the hymns that he had, um, sort of written and composed for himself.
There's also, if you look at, for example, in the LSB DS, DS V has a lot of those things in, in a sort of modern form of the Deutsche Messe, and a lot of those hymns are written by Luther.
Um, but yeah, I mean, some, some, uh, great ones you'll find in...
I forget what it's called.
I think it's just called...
I mean, obviously there's different compilations, but there's one on Logos that comes with the Lu- the Lutheran package.
And I c- I would, I would press the button and load it up, but it'd take like 15 minutes to load my app But, um, yeah, you can buy like little selections of Luther's hymns, and if you just go through there, I swear you will find some that are so much more theologically, poetically striking when compared to A Mighty Fortress.
However, the theology of Luther, I think, comes out far more in other, in other hymns.
Now, the, the, the Deutsche Messe, you wanna shed a little light on that for listeners who may not know it? 'Cause this is, this gets into Luther as a litur- as a liturgist, as reforming the liturgy, but also of course retaining parts of the liturgy.
The Reformation's a big deal because it called for revised liturgies inevitably 'cause there are the changes in theology and practice that the reformers are, of course, proponents of, and so that needs to be reflected in the liturgy somehow.
Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm sure that I do.
Um, again, it's... [laughs] I, I don't think comparatively, I guess.
Let me think about that.
I, um, I...
A Mighty Fortress is great, but I think he's got ones out there that are honestly way better.
Um, the Deutsche Messe as a whole I think is fa- fascinating and fantastic in its own way.
I don't think that it should ever really replace, um, like a standard, uh, like Lutheran divine service as you'd find it in, for example, uh, DS III or DS one and two, or even like the Formula missa.
I don't think it was really a good replacement for the Formula missa.
But I do think that it's fascinating in its own right.
Um, and some of his musical instincts sort of show when he's writing that book.
... um, where he's talking about retaining certain, um, medieval Latin Gregorian style, certain chanting tones, and he's using that together with German hymnody, which you can read those, uh, sing those even, you know, read the music notes and look at the, the hymns that he had, um, sort of written and composed for himself.
There's also, if you look at, for example, in the LSB DS, DS V has a lot of those things in, in a sort of modern form of the Deutsche Messe, and a lot of those hymns are written by Luther.
Um, but yeah, I mean, some, some, uh, great ones you'll find in...
I forget what it's called.
I think it's just called...
I mean, obviously there's different compilations, but there's one on Logos that comes with the Lu- the Lutheran package.
And I c- I would, I would press the button and load it up, but it'd take like 15 minutes to load my app But, um, yeah, you can buy like little selections of Luther's hymns, and if you just go through there, I swear you will find some that are so much more theologically, poetically striking when compared to A Mighty Fortress.
However, the theology of Luther, I think, comes out far more in other, in other hymns.
Now, the, the, the Deutsche Messe, you wanna shed a little light on that for listeners who may not know it? 'Cause this is, this gets into Luther as a litur- as a liturgist, as reforming the liturgy, but also of course retaining parts of the liturgy.
The Reformation's a big deal because it called for revised liturgies inevitably 'cause there are the changes in theology and practice that the reformers are, of course, proponents of, and so that needs to be reflected in the liturgy somehow.
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