the christian nationalism with Dr. Andrew Whitehead (ep 3, 31).

Thank you very much.

I think that's incredibly helpful.

And from my readings of yours, you're really careful to say that Christian nationalism, this is not, to your point, this is a particular strain or type of Christianity, that it's not a theology necessarily or a denomination, but you call it a cultural framework.

And I'm curious, what's the difference? And how does that framework, how does that play into this definition of Christian nationalism?

Yeah, great question.

Yeah, so when we're talking about a cultural framework, I like to think of it as I'm wearing my glasses today, essentially like a pair of glasses that people can wear, where everything that they see and perceive in the world around them is going to be refracted through those lenses.

And so Christian nationalism provides symbols.

It provides narratives.

It provides a history.

It provides a rhetoric that people can build identities around.

And as they interact with the world around them, they're interpreting everything they see and do and everything that's done around them or to them through those lenses.

And so Christian nationalism is not just localized in a particular denomination.

It's not just localized in a particular organization.

But the fact that it's a cultural framework means that it's actually influential well beyond the boundaries of institutional Christianity.

And so it isn't just, let's say, a certain type of Baptist who these are the Christian nationalists, quote unquote.

But rather, we find Christian nationalism in all different types of Christian denominations.

We actually find some folks who are not affiliated with...

A Christian church or denomination at all can still strongly embrace Christian nationalism.

So it actually cuts across the American religious, institutional religious landscape.

And so in that sense, it's really powerful because you don't have to be in a particular church or denomination.

Even though we do find it is much more prevalent in certain places, it does cut across those.

And so that's what we mean when we talk about a cultural framework.

It's something that... is enveloped by these cultural symbols, identities, rhetorics, narratives and histories.

I think this has been a question that as we've spoken with faith leaders from this region and we talk about this process maybe of enculturation and really trying to ask the question of how does faith inform, you know, our culture and our world and our politics or maybe the other way.

Yeah.