Kratom & 7-OH Pt II

'Cause I, you know, obviously there's, rewind 10 years and I feel like you could have the idea of like having cocaine or something, you weren't gonna die.

Mm-hmm.

There's a real fear now that with what it's laced with, you will.

And that's why-

Yeah

... people, uh, there's active, you know, my Instagram feed pops up with Narcan campaigns-

Yeah

... with people saying, "Hey, you should have this on you, or if you know people that are using, um, it's just not worth using certain drugs if you're not testing them at the same time." I think there probably is another episode in just where the state of drugs is in the US and how it's gotten to that point.

Yeah.

'Cause obviously this episode's about 7-OH and kratom-

Yeah, yeah, yeah

... which is what people are turning to in similar ways-

Yeah

...

but it's in a, you know, obviously that level of harm is not as high, but it can still be pretty, as we hear from stories from people, can still be pretty terrible.

And it's like what are the systems in place that are around to actually help when you find yourself addicted to shit that you either didn't expect to be addicted to or didn't even know you'd be taking?

Yeah.

Well, I mean that, that was kind of why it's [laughs] like a good segue in, into this episode.

Yeah, completely.

Um, is just 'cause there's not an easy answer to any of it because, um-

No, it's huge

... from what I read, I, I was looking into it.

They had decriminalized a lot of it in Vancouver-

Mm

... and I think they had done that in like Portland and San Francisco, and you see a lot of that then on the streets, but clearly that's not solving the issue.

'Cause I, you know, obviously there's, rewind 10 years and I feel like you could have the idea of like having cocaine or something, you weren't gonna die.

Mm-hmm.

There's a real fear now that with what it's laced with, you will.

And that's why-

Yeah

... people, uh, there's active, you know, my Instagram feed pops up with Narcan campaigns-

Yeah

... with people saying, "Hey, you should have this on you, or if you know people that are using, um, it's just not worth using certain drugs if you're not testing them at the same time." I think there probably is another episode in just where the state of drugs is in the US and how it's gotten to that point.

Yeah.

'Cause obviously this episode's about 7-OH and kratom-

Yeah, yeah, yeah

... which is what people are turning to in similar ways-

Yeah

...

but it's in a, you know, obviously that level of harm is not as high, but it can still be pretty, as we hear from stories from people, can still be pretty terrible.

And it's like what are the systems in place that are around to actually help when you find yourself addicted to shit that you either didn't expect to be addicted to or didn't even know you'd be taking?

Yeah.

Well, I mean that, that was kind of why it's [laughs] like a good segue in, into this episode.

Yeah, completely.

Um, is just 'cause there's not an easy answer to any of it because, um-

No, it's huge

... from what I read, I, I was looking into it.

They had decriminalized a lot of it in Vancouver-

Mm

... and I think they had done that in like Portland and San Francisco, and you see a lot of that then on the streets, but clearly that's not solving the issue.