Were Tradwives Always a Myth? (Famous Tradwives Disavow Label)

Simone and Malcolm break down the alleged tradwife exodus and explain why the entire aesthetic was never an authentic return to 1950s life. They trace its roots to progressive cottagecore trends, BDSM roleplay, and online fantasy rather than any genuine historical model. The discussion covers high-profile influencers distancing themselves from the label, the straw-man portrayal in the novel Yesteryear, rising ex-trad wife creators, and how AI-driven unemployment will fuel more homemaking content without reviving any real trad movement. Show Notes The Tradwife Fanfiction I started seeing signs of the shift with the April debut of Yesteryear, which was a huge hit (and even before the book came out, Amazon MGM Studios bought the rights to it; Anne Hathaway will both star in and produce it). When I read it, I mentally referred to it as “Strawman: The Musical.” It is an utter piece of trash, not just because it gives off the air of written by someone incapable of modeling other people (and this is coming form an AUTISTIC PERSON incapable of picking up fundamental social cues), but because it doesn’t even try to explore what tradwife influencers actually are. Some notes: \* On the author, Caro Claire Burke \* She does not appear to have children and it really shows \* She makes the main character seem like someone who is secretly living a nightmare the moment she became a mother \* Like, she wanted the baby to die when she became a mother \* And postpartum depression is real, but what she describes seems like something very different \* Yet somehow this character has SIX KIDS and no interest in raising any of them \* People who hate kids don’t have six kids in a post-birth-control environment \* She attended “tradwife” influencer bootcamps for research \* In the book \[SPOILER ALERT] Burke essentially imagines \* A horrible, spiteful woman incapable of love \* Marrying a rich trust fund kid \* Who doesn’t want to work and would love to be a stay-at-home dad \* And then has a kid with whom she does not at all connect \* And becomes a successful traswife influencer to force her family into some social ideal she wants but nobody else in the family desire \* And then finds out an employee who had an affair with her husband quits \* Then sexually assaults an assistant with whom her husband has an affair \* And has some sort of psychotic break \* And her family BIZARRELY decides to make their house ACTUALLY like the 1850s to “help” this woman \* And she wakes up one morning forgetting everything that happened between the employee quitting and that day, years into their isolation, eventually escapes the house, and gets interviewed by a girl she knew in high school who she hated \* AND NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS \* But it’s made to seem spooky because Burke has the reader skip from Hannah getting notice of an employee quitting to Hannah waking up in her stupid 1840s life and not recognizing her family but thinking they’re similar. \* The book is obviously based on Ballerina Farm (Hannah and Daniel Neelman) \* Proof: \* long kitchen window \* Overpriced cutting board \* Signature sourdough starter \* Shorts of long elaborate meal prep from scratch \* Treasured family cow \* Husband who enjoys birthing calfs \* But she heavily implies that they create an idolized vision of the past \* When Mormons are EXTRA aware of how the past sucked (they go on treks in which they pull hand carts through the wilderness wearing hand-sewn prairie dresses and regularly get sick and dehydrated, plus simulate death \* And she has them hiring nannies from places like LA when a family would never hire such ideologically mismatched people and not want to pay for them either \* Plus she The Tradwife Exodus Around the time the book came out, several anti-tradwife creators were on the rise, including one I watch regularly, Life, take two!, who now has 173K subscribers, up from 60K about a year ago. Then Nara Smith’s interview on Call Her Daddy on July 29th (literally titled, “Nara Smith: Stop Calling Me a Tradwife”, in which she basically disavowed any association with the tradwife label, pointing out, quite fairly, that she is a working mother and that she and her husband Lucky share domestic responsibilities. The Commentary Academic article: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03616843261437418 As all this was happening, July 24: “Help! I Might Be a Tradwife!” a NY Times editorial in which poet JoAnna Novak writes about feeling unexpectedly drawn to aspects of domestic life—cooking, caring for children, making a home—while nevertheless rejecting the political and ideological associations with tradwifery. \* It was so popular it got its own follow-up, Challenging the Tradwife Trend. By July 31st, even The Daily Wire was on this trend, with Why The Tradwife Movement Lost Its Traction, arguing that: \* Isolation is its central flaw (WHO EVER SAID IT WAS ISOLATED??) \* (they argue tradwifing involves homesteading) \* Its standards become exclusionary \* The aesthetic gets confused with virtue \* The lifestyle is difficult to sustain Then in September, the NY Times published “Her Brand Was Tradwife. Now She’s Divorced.” about about Bernadine Bluntly (aka Bernadine Barber), a former influencer whose public identity was built around the “tradwife” ideal but ultimately—and very publicly—left her husband, got a restraining order, and divorcing, and switched to being an “ex-tradwife” creator warning other women about the ideology. Is There Actually a Decline? \* No, and the talk about the decline contributed to a boost. \* That’s because this isn’t about any real decline; it’s because tradwives are based off of a fiction that doesn’t map to reality. \* Evie Magazine argued in April that the tradwife rejection trend now is just a reflection of people getting mad about Martha Stewart creating unreasonable standards in the past. \* In reality, the tradwife genre online is about sharing idealized snapshots of homemaking. NOTHING more. \* It’s unmoored from career, religion, gender norms, marriage values, or anything else. So Why Are People Mad About It (Simone’s Theory Pre-Taping) My take is people are mad about it because they realize the inevitability of homemaking making a comeback as more people’s careers become obsolete. \* If things go GREAT, more people will be homemakers. \* If things go HORRIBLE, more people will be homemakers. And I think people are trying to fight the trend—while also becoming fascinated by it—because it scares them. Episode Transcript **Simone Collins**:Hello, Malcolm. I’m excited to be with you today because we’re gonna talk about the trad life exodus. There is an exodus of trad lives taking place. People are writing deranged fan fiction, villainizing trad wives. Women are disassociating from the label. Like, what? What? I don’t know. What Trad wife? **Malcolm Collins**:I was Some of the most famous Trad wives have said, I don’t like the Trad... I’m not a Trad wife. **Simone Collins**:True. Yeah. In fact, the very... **Speaker 3**:One of the most **Simone Collins**:famous Trad wives, Nora Smith, who everyone has seen, she is that very soft spoken. She’s going to wear some fantastic piece of clothing and then make gum or toothpaste from scratch because my child wants **Speaker 4**:to **Simone Collins**:do whatever. Right? **Speaker 9**:My husband was on his way back from dinner with a friend when he called me to throw out dinner with pizza bites. I started by making the mozzarella, let it sit for ten minutes before slicing it and returning it back to the heat. I seared off my breakfast sausage. **Simone Collins**:so this is Nora Smith trying to pretend **Speaker 4**:that she’s not the definition of a trad wife is. **Simone Collins**:A trad wife. Well, that’s perfect because I’m actually gonna ask you. What do you consider a trad wife? **Speaker 4**:Well, I had to look up the term. **Simone Collins**:I had to look it up. **Speaker 4**:Me because I wasn’t familiar with that. Right? **Malcolm Collins**:I Sure. **Speaker 4**:Didn’t quite know what it means. Didn’t know what it means. But the fast answer is a trad wife is a woman who embraces or promotes a traditional model of marriage and family life where she typically prioritizes being a homemaker and a primary caregiver for kids, takes primary responsibility for cooking, cleaning, and managing the household, supports her husband’s role as the primary breadwinner **Simone Collins**:She’s using this **Speaker 4**:as a strong use of traditional gender roles within marriage. So with that definition and those points, I’m none of that. **Simone Collins**:See, she’s trying to say, no. Not me. She’s, of course, just using a random definition of trad wife, and it means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. But e... Well before she even said this, the other most famous trad wife, Hannah Neelman of Ballerina Farm, also when interviewed said, no. We don’t really associate with that label. That said, Nora Smith had used the hashtag trad wife tagging her post with that plenty of times, and Hannah Neelman definitely leaned in to the trope. And yet and yet So she **Malcolm Collins**:tagged it and pretended like she didn’t know the term. **Simone Collins**:Well, later later, depended that she didn’t... Or pretended that she didn’t know the the the term. And after this started happening more and more, and more people started talking about the death of tradwives, and tradwives aren’t cool anymore, then commentators and academics alike started trying to explain this distancing. And here’s the thing. Both you and I agree. They’re all completely missing the key detail here, which is the trad wives were never real to begin with, and that is why we are seeing this. But people are mistaking it. They’re like, out. Was never... It was never there. It was never there. **Malcolm Collins**:Well, we argued that, and we have an old post arguing the BDSM... The BDSM culture is really the culture that is upstream of tradwife culture, that it did not evolve from anything authentically nineteen fifties. It evolved from BDSM play, and we go over the various... It’s it’s... Basically, there’s just so much evidence. There’s so much fingerprints. It is a converted version of BDSM with a cargo cult like paint on it attempting to bring back the prosperity of an earlier time through acting it out. For people who are unaware of what cargo cults were, there was a period wherein, like, the Polynesian Islands and stuff like that, the US military would set up in those regions. And they had enormous wealth, but they were, you know, savage tribe people who didn’t know anything. And so The US leaves, and then they begin to, like, build airplane runways and build airplanes out of sticks and copy the air signs that they had seen The US people doing during the short period there in the in the sort of a religious ritual to try to bring back this previous prosperity. And I think a lot of people are doing that with sort of a nineteen fifties vision where first, you had this sort of role play and LARP that came from BDSM, and then that was merged with people who genuinely thought that they could bring back the prosperity and decency of this previous era through cargo culting the phenomenon. **Simone Collins**:And actually gonna argue it’s worse than that, Malcolm. I’m gonna argue **Malcolm Collins**:continue. Go. **Simone Collins**:That most what... Of what people think to be tradwives online... And, actually, Nora Smith is being kind of honest. Hannah Neelman is being extremely honest when they say that they’re not tradwives because they really never were. They also... Even while maybe playing up a... An aesthetic hashtag trad wife as a trope, knew all along that they weren’t and were instead fetishized by people trying to believe that this concept, which I agree is the cargo coat with... Cult was real. in the same way that people who look at us and think that having a lot of kids is a breeder fetish, think that. Right? No one’s having a lot of kids because they have a breeder fetish, and no woman is making sourdough in her kitchen pretty much, because she thinks that she’s part of this actual cargo cult. There are exceptions. There are certainly people also who question elements of more traditional marriages, and I would say unsustainable forms of marriage that are more like this nuclear fam... Family that the cargo cult cosplays as. It’s it’s a little bit nuanced, but I’m... Yeah. Actually, the vast majority of tradwife content as it exists is people seeing one piece of content, completely misconstruing it, and basically building headcanon around a thing that doesn’t exist, **Malcolm Collins**:which is really building headcanon around a thing that they wish existed. Yes. By this, what I mean is they wish it existed as a a foe, as an opponent, that there were really women living like this when there simply aren’t. Yeah. And so their fears about being forced to live this way, their sexual and fetishized fears about the the the... We pointed out, the handmaid’s tale is clearly a a sex fantasy for a lot of these women. Oh oh, don’t hold me down, high status male. I’m I’m just a young fertile female. Don’t make a high status female. **Simone Collins**:Don’t don’t hold me down, mister Trump. **Malcolm Collins**:Don’t send me to the Mar A Lago breeding pits. Oh, gosh. But... No. I mean, it is... It’s a fetish. It’s women who know that they’ll never be bred, and women have a genetic predilection to want to become moms. and so they they, you know, they’re... They come up with fantasy scenarios where that could really happen. But the reality is, you know, **Simone Collins**:beyond that too, now with AI taking over, people are freaking out about not being able to get jobs anymore. They they are literally looking for some way out of a nightmare that they’re living, and the jobs they have are terrible. They’re not able to get decent new jobs. They’re afraid of their ability to have any form of security. This idea of being on some homestead somewhere, making sourdough bread sounds a lot less stressful than DoorDashing in between really long shifts as, you know, like a nurse or working at a CVS or doing whatever it is that you might be doing. Everyone now has to hustle to make money. This idea that instead you would have the secure home and children in this much worse succinct life is very appealing now, and it’s only gonna get worse. **Malcolm Collins**:The tradwife women, you look at the things the... That they’re doing, and they are progressive female fantasies and fetishes. As he travels **Simone Collins**:This is exactly **Malcolm Collins**:it. Is downstream of cottagecore. Right? Like, it’s the same style. It just has a different name to it. And cottagecore was one of the most popular stylistic movements in the crazy Tumblr days. Right? Like, in the most extreme parts of the progressive society. Then you look at trad ideas like sourdough. Sourdough was something that, like, every edgy progressive hipster woman I knew in San Francisco had their own sourdough starter. Right? You know? Or, oh, all all of this stuff all of this stuff is very... Oh, I have a little garden. Right? Oh, that’s very edgy and, I don’t know, whatever. So I think that that it’s always been a LARP that it wasn’t also a progressive fantasy. It is a fantasy of a type of life that really... If you look at, like, ballerina farms where they live this life, she’s able to live something that approximates it because her husband is one of the, like, richest humans on Earth. Right? You know, that’s what makes it feasible for them. It would not be feasible... And and and that’s why we don’t preach it for most Americans. **Simone Collins**:Well, also, she is working, and they both run a business together. They’re more like a corporate family. If a well funded one, then they are like the trad wife family, which typically involves a single breadwinner and the wife being at home only with the kids. Hannah is a business owner and media icon. She’s she’s not... She was never a trad wife, and she never said she was a wife, but people put that on her. In fact, this is really the first exhibit in this whole complete disaster of of interpretation from people, which is the book yesteryear. I started seeing signs of the shift really when the book came out. That’s when people started trying to argue in much greater amounts. This basically broke containment in April when the book came out. Such a a hit that it was. People really knew that this was gonna be amazing. **Malcolm Collins**:Oh, you told me about this book. You got really mad at it. **Simone Collins**:I got extremely mad at this book. Amazon MGM Studios bought the rights to it before it was published. Anne Hathaway is going to star in and produce it, Malcolm. When I read it, I mentally referred to it as straw man the musical because it was that bad. It is an utter piece of trash, not just because it gives off the air of being written by someone incapable of modeling other people. And, of course, this is coming from an autistic person incapable of picking up fundamental social cues, but, also, it it doesn’t even **Speaker 3**:Do you **Malcolm Collins**:need Simone, no. No. Hold on. You got to explain the plot to people. You’re you’re you’re crashing out of something. **Simone Collins**:No. Scorpio is the **Malcolm Collins**:plot so people understand why it matters that they couldn’t model other people. **Simone Collins**:I will. Okay? I will explain the plot of this book to you. I’m not going to explain it in the way that the story is told cause it’s stupid. I’m going to explain to you the whole plot so you can now see how stupid the plot is, why why her whole twist is not not good. Okay? So, basically, it’s about this horrible, spiteful woman who is incapable of love, who decides to marry a... Oh, and she’s, like, very Christian probably. Like, they’re obviously modeled after the Neelman family, which is Mormon. Okay? And so she decides that she’s going to marry a rich trust fund kid who doesn’t want to work and just wants to be a stay at home dad, like, super reasonable. Okay? He doesn’t need to. He’s that rich. Yeah. Of course, this isn’t the case with Daniel Neumann who works throughout their marriage anyway. Whatever. We just throw that out. and then she has this kid with whom she does not connect at all. She she treats it like this living nightmare having this kid, hoping the kid dies. I know that postpartum depression is a thing, but what she describes is not like any description of postpartum depression that I’ve read. Yep. And and then And it’s only one kid? No. No. No. She starts off with one kid, and then she ends up having six, which, by the way, when you look at, for example, what, is covered in Hannah’s children, the book on families with educated women who have five or more kids, I think, or six or more kids in in The United States, their first experience having a kid is the biggest predictor of whether or not they’re gonna have a big family. People don’t have big families if they don’t love their kids. Even if they feel like their culture is all around having big families, they typically cap out at three. And then they’re like, whatever. I’ve done my part, maybe four, not six. So, again, that’s also super not believable. But, anyway, she goes on to have six kids. And she does it by inseminating herself with a turkey baster because she finds her husband so repulsive, apparently. That was a great detail. I really enjoyed that. Thank you, author. I’m not even gonna name my name. Her name is, like, Carol Burke. But she she then becomes a... This woman, this detestable character, becomes a famous trad wife influencer because she’s like, well, basically, if my husband is too lazy and stupid to build a successful business, I will just force us into the lifestyle become... By becoming a trad wife influencer. And then she hires this whole staff. She hires nannies out of LA as if a conservative Christian would do that. Also, it’s super not affordable to do that. But whatever, she hires this whole staff to run her media empire, but then she doesn’t let them be seen on social media to, like, hide the fact, you know, and to be dishonest. And then she finds out that one of her employees slept with her husband, and she just loses it and sexually assaults that assistant who then later goes to the press about it. And this is when the main character just blacks out. She just completely blacks out. and her family, bizarrely, decides that, the best way to handle this woman having a nervous breakdown after sexually assaulting one of her employees after that employee slept with her husband, is to just make their house actually like the eighteen forties. They call it yesteryear farm. So let’s make yesteryear farm like it’s actually the eighteen forties and take away the working plumbing and take away the electricity and everything like that. And all of her children, except for two of them or maybe three or four. Yeah. For, most of the older children leave, and then she only has the very youngest. And then one day, she just wakes up and forgets that whole transition period and is like, oh, where am I? What has happened to my life? why is this man who looks like my husband but is not my husband here? Who are these weird looking children who say that they’re my children, but they’re not my children? Who are they? And she has this whole, like, you know, mental break. And then she tries to escape the house, and her oldest daughter who had, like, you know, left to the reservation and had made it out to, like, the real urban monoculture world where everyone’s thriving. **Malcolm Collins**:And they... Yeah. Thriving out in the Manhattan. **Simone Collins**:Hatefully mentally. Yeah. She rescues and hatefully hatefully rescues her her mother, and then her mother... The the story concludes with her... This this spiteful, terrible, now insane woman giving an interview to a former college roommate or colleague who she hated and thought was, you know, a slutty hot mess, who was a member of the urban monoculture, interviewing her. And I think for the author, it’s supposed to be the smug moment of, like, I was the urban monoculture journalist woman who got the MFA because she she got an MFA. and this is what will happen to anyone who becomes a trad wife. They’ll become ruined and insane, and they were always mean to begin with, and I will interview them and put them to shame just as I did in this book. But the way she presents it in the book, of course, is it like, oh, here’s this perfect trad wife, and then something kinda stressful happens. Like, one of her employees says she’s gonna resign, and the next thing she knows, she wakes up, and she’s in this weird farm with these strange... The strange family that’s not her family. So it’s supposed to be like, oh, what’s going on here? And part of it was like, oh, you know, punish this trad wife with an actual trad life. And I hate it all so much, and it’s super not accurate because this woman is not realistic **Malcolm Collins**:at Simone, hold on. You are probably the closest thing to a real trad life that exists these days. Is it better than when you lived in the urban monoculture? **Simone Collins**:Yeah. Obviously. but that’s... I’m also not technically because there is no such thing as a trad wife. **Malcolm Collins**:No. But I’m not. Saying you are who women... There are women all around the world who look at your face and think of you, whatever character was put into this story, that’s what they assume your life is. So as the woman who they wanna **Simone Collins**:Not with all the AI around us. You know, we’re not, like, playing **Malcolm Collins**:Well, yeah, but that’s a more recent development. There was a stage in your life when they thought, you know **Simone Collins**:I don’t know. We... We’re too terminally online to really signal as tradwife. You know, you... To be a tradwife influencer, you mostly do elaborate baking tutorials and, like, large **Malcolm Collins**:Would you like it if I let you do more elaborate baking tutorials? **Simone Collins**:That is not the plan. that is not the plan. But, anyway, that is what they **Malcolm Collins**:I remember all of this. I remember the plot. You went through it. We criticized it. Okay. What... What’s confusing to me, okay **Simone Collins**:Yeah. **Malcolm Collins**:Is when you were reading the book and you were getting angry at it, the plot you described was very different. You described her as actually having gone to the past. Like, it was one of those time travel novels. **Simone Collins**:And that’s the big gotcha of the book that, basically, in one moment, she has an employee quit. And then the next moment, she wakes up in this weird bed in this weird house with a man who looks like her old husband. She calls him old Caleb. And kids who say that they’re her mama, but but she’s not their mama. And it’s weird, and she hates doing the laundry, and she hates baking, and she can’t bake well, and everything’s horrible, and they have no running water. It’s it’s basically the author’s smug way of being like, yeah. You like being tread so much. Yeah. I’m like, have the tread. Here’s the tread. Shove your face in the tread. And it just turns out that it totally implausibly after accusations came out around her sexually assaulting an employee. Did you read this book? Because everyone was talking about it, and it was about trad wives. And I wanted to understand what a leftist woman thought of the concept of trad wives. I wanted to understand the straw man, and I had no idea just how depraved or straw man y it would be. I thought it would be an actual best effort take from someone on the left to try to model funny because when we **Malcolm Collins**:do the other side, like, when we’re talking about what is it actually like to live as a trans person, we go to, like, famous mainstream trans individuals’ personal diaries, like the episode where we go over Anna Valen’s diaries that they post publicly. Right? To to go through is what challenges do they actually face, what parts of this lifestyle actually don’t work for them. And it is interesting, one, and that it does almost read like a sick fantasy because their lives are **Simone Collins**:Well, because she’s, one, such a hateful woman. And two, the entire plot line is so implausible that that also she used to be, like, a hateful woman who’s a repressed lesbian, which is a big part of the plot line. That’s why, you know, she sexually assaults this this woman that slept with her husband, why she, inseminates herself with a turkey baster to get pregnant because her husband **Malcolm Collins**:She doesn’t even like her husband. Like, why is she even jealous about this? **Simone Collins**:Yeah. I know. That’s the thing. It’s... Nothing makes sense about her. Like, this is someone incapable of modeling other people even from a logical standpoint. Like, I can’t model other people. I’m autistic. I... You know, we’ve sat at tables where people are, like, openly crying, and I’m like, **Malcolm Collins**:that seemed to go well. **Simone Collins**:And you’re like, wait. What did did you miss? Anyway, I can’t do it, but I can logically think through, oh, that’s implausible. whereas this author can’t even seem to do that. And somehow, you know, MGM **Malcolm Collins**:Well, I I think the answer is that you just, as a rightist, do not understand a few things if if you grew up a rightist or if you’ve always been a rightist or sometimes you forget. Because I remember when I was on the left, they’re genuinely... It’s not a real attempt to model what they thought people on the right were like or **Simone Collins**:thought Well, and here’s the thing is it’s very easy. She could have easily modeled this because this entire character she built, was based on Hannah Neelman of Ballerina Farm. All the way down to, like, elements in the book that are so explicit, it almost feels like some form of of... Is it libel or defamation when you write it? Whatever. But in in in her house, there’s a long kitchen window. This is, like, a very iconic element of Ballerina Farm. Overpriced cutting board, another iconic Ballerina Farm product. signature sourdough starter. Ballerina Farm. shots of long elaborate meal prep from scratch, obviously. Treasured family cow. Yes. Ballerina Farm had a family cow they loved so much. They took it on a camping trip once because they couldn’t leave her behind. and husband who enjoys birthing calves. Yes. David Neelman, goes by hog farmer on Instagram, absolutely was burning gas. So she paid attention to some surface level things and completely dragged the concept of this couple through the mud, also failing entirely to model them when, actually, Hannah Neelman’s diaries, like, online went way back. And for whatever reason, maybe they’re taken down now, but not soon enough for Fundy snark on the Internet to find it. And boy, did they find it. And it was riddled with spelling errors. It showed a lot of vulnerability in her early days as a young mother living in Brazil when they first went there. Like, it’s there. You can... People Hannah nailed it down all the time, I think unfairly. but when they do and they do so skillfully, you can get that nuance debate. she doesn’t even try that. So it’s just really crazy to me. I hate the book. It’s a terrible book. It’s gonna be turned into a movie. It’s gonna make me really angry. **Malcolm Collins**:But you said there was something else because you had finished talking about this in **Simone Collins**:your relationship. This book comes out in April. And then around the time the book came out, there were several anti tradwife creators who were on the rise, including one that I watch regularly called Life Take Two, who now has 173 subscribers, which is up from 60... Sorry. A 170,000 subscribers, which is up from 60,000 a year ago. So you and I know what it’s like to grow on YouTube. That is a big explosion. Right? 60 k one year, a 173 k the next year. That’s pretty huge. And here’s an... Like, a a very sort of brief example of who she is. What she actually is is she’s a former... But she called herself, like, a homesteading MAGA trad wife. And now she talks about how how dangerous it is basically to, like, stake your wife on a career. I would argue that that’s an entirely reasonable thing to argue. but, anyway, this this is her. **Speaker 7**:Next trad wife, the first thing I do every morning is check to see if my child support’s been vaped yet. Goddamn it. Peace. **Simone Collins**:So, yeah, that’s her. Here’s an example of the kind of commentary that she makes. Here’s her even actually talking connected about ballerina farm. **Speaker 7**:It’s been a while since I’ve done a ballerina farm video, and here we go. You guys are gonna love this. And for those of you who don’t love it, the little ballerina farmsters who are gonna tell me that I’m jealous and I’m just a hater. That’s actually not the case. I was doing the ballerina farm thing before ballerina farm was, like, even in middle school. Me and my rich ass Mormon husband bought a homestead in South Carolina just because they had a green living platform before platforms were even a thing. We had a website. I had a radio show. I had, like, a podcast, a blog, a newsletter, like an actual paper newsletter. And I bought a homestead and did all this exact same s\*\*t, like, fifteen years before Hannah ever dreamed up. So if anybody knows the mindset of a Mormon mommy homesteading influencer, it’s probably another Mormon mommy homesteading influencer. First thing I bet you didn’t know about Ballina Farm, I want you guys to look at the kitchen here for just a minute. This is what we think of when we think of Ballina Farm. We think of all this wood Seat long kitchen windows. In this incredible historic house, and they just, like, went in and, like, did nothing to it except for buying this big agasto. Like, I remember the first time I ever watched Ballerina farm, and it’s like, that’s so cool that they just, like, preserved the nature of the historic home. Like, oh my god. They didn’t even upgrade it or do anything to it. Move in red. Of course, over the years, they’ve upgraded and painted and done some things. And I personally think that painting all that beautiful plank siding was probably a content creating decision. No matter how many ring lights you have, that darkness kind of sucks the light out of the room. I like to film in rooms that are brighter, that have more white. Bet you didn’t know that this is what the Ballerina Farm kitchen looked like when they bought the house. They didn’t move into some little house in the Prairie Log Cabin and just keep it like it was. They spent bajillions of dollars gutting that entire structure. I actually watched some of the process with my own eyes as I vacationed ten minutes away from there. I’m sure this kitchen probably had a nice stove already, but they were already insta famous when they moved into the farmhouse, and Hannah had a vision for what was going to look good on camera. Next up, bet you didn’t know that Hannah didn’t used to dress like Little House on the Prairie. That is a brand new face, and that is just for the Cameron. She doesn’t dress like that when she goes around town. Again, my friends all live in her neighborhood, and that is absolutely not how she dresses. I know one **Simone Collins**:Anyway, as you can see, that is a much more, like, honest commentary on how we **Malcolm Collins**:This is how Simone dresses. It is not how she originally dresses, but it is how she dresses out and about. Yeah. **Simone Collins**:It went from, like, fascist chic to **Malcolm Collins**:Yeah. They pull up the old outfit. They’d be like, that looks like it was designed after a specific type of uniform. And it’s like, nobody... There there there are many, many criticisms that this particular group gets, but it is never that they didn’t have a great sense of style. **Simone Collins**:That’s gonna be such great lore. But, like, imagine, like, you know, my ballerina farms moment. It’s when someone’s like, I bet you didn’t **Speaker 8**:know that she used to dress like this. **Simone Collins**:Like, Hannah Neelman is, like, like, this casual, like, sports fan, like, shirt. And I’m like, oh, oh, no. She didn’t dress like that. No. But everyone knows already. Anyway, the point I’m making with her is that as this... As yesteryear came out and people are like, oh, tradwife bad. Let’s make a fake tradwife straw man suffer. This woman did also rising on on sort of tradwife, hypocrisy snark content. Basically, like, trad wives aren’t who they say they are. Their wives are actually horrible. This woman was a trad wife, and then her husband dumped her for a 20 year old that doesn’t pay child support. And and so you can see at the beginning of this year, this rising sentiment, and then it just keeps going. So... Sorry. I’m finding my notes. Right. Then Nora Smith’s interview on Call Her Daddy came out on July twenty twenty ninth. It’s literally titled, Nora Smith, stop calling me a trad wife, in which she basically disavowed any association with the trad wife label, pointing out, right, fairly. **Malcolm Collins**:The only bad part about being a parent is the children. **Simone Collins**:Aw. I love them so much. Then Nora Smith’s interview on call her daddy came out on July 29, literally titled Nora Smith, stop calling me a trad wife, in which she basically disavowed any association with the trad wife label, pointing out quite fairly that she’s a working mother and that she and her husband, Lucky, shared domestic responsibilities because it’s not real. And then there’s also all this commentary that came out on July 24 before the Nora Smith thing thing came out on... In the New York Times, and this went super viral. this article or op ed came out called, help. I might be a trad wife, in which this poet named Joanna Novik writes about feeling unexpectedly drawn to aspects of domestic life, like cooking or caring for children or homemaking, while still rejecting the political and ideological associations with tradwifery. And it was such a popular article, that it got its own follow-up called challenging the tradwife trend. And, basically, you could see among the New York Times set this tension between, like, oh, but, like, it looks really nice, but, like, no. It’s evil. It’s bad. **Malcolm Collins**:It’s evil. Don’t do it. **Simone Collins**:Stop. Yes. They’re like, don’t. and then by July 31, even the Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro’s flagship thing was on this trend with this article called why the trad wife movement lost its traction, which basically argued that isolation is its central flaw. But whoever said that it was isolated, they are giving trad wiping **Malcolm Collins**:everything the Daily Wire does shows they are completely out of touch in every conceivable way. **Simone Collins**:Little connection with reality, because, no, tradwifing is not homesteading. they argue that it involves homesteading. And they also argue its standards become exclusionary, completely again misunderstanding what this entire genre is, that the aesthetic gets confused with virtue, and that the lifestyle is difficult to sustain. and then in September, the New York Times published her her brand was trad wife. Now she’s divorced about Bernadette Blunty, aka Bernadine... Or sorry. Bernadine Blunty, aka Bernadine Barber, who’s a former influencer whose public identity was built around this alleged trad wife ideal, but ultimately and very publicly, she left her husband. She got a restraining order. She divorced him, and then she switched to being an ex trad wife creator just like life take two. So now there’s this rise of ex trad wife creators. And I think they’re, again, getting that love because women are very drawn to this, but they feel like they’re not allowed to be drawn to it. So similar to how there was that creator we talked about who would, like, convince women to not have children, who would... The girl with the list. I feel like this is very similar to that where women want to be reminded, like, don’t do that. I know you want to. Don’t do that. Bad idea. You’re gonna get divorced. It’s gonna go horrible. It’s this thing that it’s not... You know, you you can’t do it. But here’s the thing. Is there is there a trend line of decline? What do you think, Malcolm? **Malcolm Collins**:I think it’s being redefined into what it always was, and it’s entering a more mature phase as a field. I think I mean Look. I mean, you’re pulling up the stats. **Simone Collins**:This is... No. This is just Google Trends. It is not going down. Okay? Look at this. Look at this. A little bit... It’s it’s... I mean, it had a big spike. It... The the most recent local spike was right around the time that the New York Times published these articles in July. So it’s gonna... And you know that when yesteryear comes out, it’s gonna spike again. It’s not... It’s only gonna go up. It’s only gonna go up. You understand that. Right? Because women are not gonna be able to get jobs anymore as AI comes out. And then they’re... Look. Also, no And they’re gonna be like, how do I **Malcolm Collins**:get men? Oh, men are conservative. Men wanna trad wife. Like, that’s how you sell to men these days. And Well, also, the idea of the ethot, the idea of Ethought. No. As a woman, you’ve got, you know, your assets. Okay? **Simone Collins**:Okay. **Malcolm Collins**:And you you gotta bring your assets on the camera. Right? Oh, yeah. **Simone Collins**:You gotta, yeah, you gotta shop your wares. You know? I’m a cook. I’m a whatever. Yeah. Yeah. **Malcolm Collins**:And the woman who has a male fan base that likes her because she’s a woman, right, is what... The primary way women grow on on the Internet. Like, let’s be honest here. Okay? **Simone Collins**:Yeah. **Malcolm Collins**:And there are only so many looks you can sell to an audience for them to be interested in you. And **Simone Collins**:Well, this is one of the the best looks to sell if you think your audience is gonna be dubious about previous sexual partners. And if you’re on OnlyFans, our e thought even that. I think you’re missing **Malcolm Collins**:the point. Yeah. So you’ve got a few looks that you can do. And historically, you could go the e girl route. You know? **Simone Collins**:Sort of dress **Malcolm Collins**:Oh, yeah. **Simone Collins**:Like, I will play video games with you and be your **Malcolm Collins**:best friend. Sexy and and and jiggle and everything, and that has lost a lot of its appeal. There are not many popular egirls left because it became associated with debauchery, and debauchery became uncool in male circles. And so they just... A a lot of young girls aren’t aren’t doing that as much as they used to, and they... It doesn’t appeal to the same user base. The second reason is is if you’re going to go the debauchery pathway, right, within an online environment and it’s going to be fictionalized, then fully fictionalize it. This is why so many of the top Twitch streamers are anime girls. Okay? If you’re gonna go lewd, then be a lewd anime girl because a lot of people prefer two d. **Simone Collins**:Yeah. And with **Malcolm Collins**:two d, you can be as hot as you want and never age and still have all this stuff. **Simone Collins**:If you’re trying to make homemaking your career, which is gonna become... Like, I think many high achieving women who used to be, like, career women are going to return to being **Malcolm Collins**:careerists. Well, this is Like, professionally as homemakers. If you are selling an image within an online context into a fandom The, image of the hot anime girl works right now, but the e girl does. Right? And then it’s like, okay. I’m a woman. What else can I sell? Because I need to sell something that’s, you know, over the top so it sticks with people. so it’s it’s it’s memorable, and it it also has to be relatable. And I think that trad wife is very good at doing that. One of the things that’s important to note about the trad wife influencer historically up until now is it predominantly was sold to women as a consumer base. Yeah. the primary consumer of trad wife content was not men who wanted a trad wife. It was women on TikTok. **Simone Collins**:I I say this Absolutely. **Malcolm Collins**:As a man, I have never organically seen trad wife content. Yeah. Well, and let **Simone Collins**:me let me come in with just an additional annotation to that to reinforce your point, which is that the one decent take on whatever the backlash, the trend, whatever you wanna call it, is EV Magazine, which is this... It’s supposed to be like the Cosmo for the conservative woman. And they had this article called, god, I can’t remember. But it came out in April, and it was basically just arguing that the trad wife trend is just a repeat of something that happened thirty years ago in the nineties where people were freaking out about the unrealistic standards that Martha Stewart was presenting with homemaking. And her content... And I... I’m I’m the most diehard Martha Stewart fan. I love her so much. She did did exactly the same thing. You know? Like, I make all these things, elaborate meals. There were Saturday Night Live skits all the time about her completely unrealistic standards when it came to homemaking and and meal prep. And just like all the modern trad wives today, her work did not represent a religious ideal. It did not even represent a married woman. This is a single divorced mom who runs her business empire and sells products at Kmart and has books and video, like, tapes and everything that she sold. **Malcolm Collins**:But this is this is where I think they’re missing what’s happening and you’re missing what’s happening because I do think that we are entering a new era of the tradwife. **Simone Collins**:We... Yeah. I do. I guess where you’re going. A **Malcolm Collins**:trad wife with a male audience, which is not historically big. And I think the model of that form of trad wife that is probably archetypical would be you. You are very much this new form of trad wife that talks to a male audience. And you’re not the only... Another good example is Bridget whatever, the the lady we met at Hereticon, has the other channels sort of like ours, pretty big. What am I thinking of? Bridget **Simone Collins**:Bridget p h something. Fantasy? Bridget **Malcolm Collins**:Fantasy. Bridget Fantasy. Which is to say that it’s not about overly leaning into... It... It’s sort of a model that’s defined by, I think, two things above all else. The first is they’re in a happy long term partnership where they are taking on a a feminine role. And second is they do not depict themselves as sexualized. And this is very different than the way women historically sold themselves. If a woman had a husband, that was not a front and center thing about her life within a media context because guys wanted to be able to fantasize that the woman didn’t have a husband. Right? Like, oh, I’m I’m lusting after this. Whatever. But now I think to be authentic with guys, if you, still don’t have a husband, and you are, you know, an agent content creator or something like that, the assumption is what’s going on here? Like, what’s behind the scenes? Why why does... If you’re selling all of these ideas about, you know, being loyal to a guy and getting married and blah blah blah blah blah, having kids, saving your people or whatever you wanna say, and you’re not married, that comes off as very hypocritical. And I think that that worked for a period. I think this is where we’ve seen the drop in credibility of Nick Fuentes, for example. Right? Like, as I pointed out before, he he chastised fans when they got married. Right? Like, that’s when they **Simone Collins**:He did? Wait. I didn’t know that. **Malcolm Collins**:Famous... **Speaker 11**:you sound like a f\*\*\*\*t, and you’re going to hell with your ugly dog of a woman wife. So people like you are what’s wrong with this country. People like you are worse than trannies, frankly. People like you are sort of worse than the worst part of the problem. So busy with wife and kids doing what? Being a cuck? Busy busy being... Schlepping around bags for your wife? I was busy doing my wife’s makeup. I was busy... My wife was doing my makeup. Busy playing tea party with your baby girl’s stay at home dad while your wife makes some money. Is that it? And what does that even mean? Busy with the wife and kids doing what? I think they’re pretty self sufficient, aren’t they? They should be. Busy with the wife and kids going to going on what? Playdates? What does that mean? Busy with the wife and kids. What what do you mean by that? So, yeah, sounds like you should get back to playing princess with your wife and your daughter or whatever. Sounds like you should get back to cleaning cleaning your wife’s, you know, period off... Period off. Sounds like you should should get back to braiding your wife’s hair or whatever it is that you do with your f\*\*\*\*\*g wife. Glad I stopped watching the show to get dragged to the garlic festival with my wife. Yeah. Okay, buddy. Well, yeah, sounds like you should get back to it. Chop. Chop. Her hair is not gonna braid itself. But, anyway, incels aren’t sad. Incels are glad, and we’re gonna kill you. So, anyway **Speaker 13**:No. This person who he’s crashing out on had just donated, I think, $50 to him. And when people are like, wow. You seem to be very aggressively against people like Nick Fuentes. I mean, this is why. It’s this fakeness to everything that they say they care about to say, I’m concerned about a decreasing number of births within this population and then make fun of aggressively, say they would kill someone of that population, the guy explicitly said, were a white family, when they get married, when they begin having kids, shows he doesn’t care about this at all. And and this is what you see, I think, with all people of this group. When people act, like, aggressively racist towards groups, I also see them act like this. They don’t actually care anyone could tell you that aggressive racism doesn’t serve the purpose that anyone displaying it says that they’re trying to achieve. **Malcolm Collins**:Yeah. Fan reached out and was, like, telling him that he was excited to finally get married. And and **Simone Collins**:mention this. **Malcolm Collins**:He basically made fun of him and called him, I think, a fag or something. **Simone Collins**:Because somebody’s married. **Speaker 8**:Thing you can do. **Malcolm Collins**:I think, like, mask off for a lot of people. Like, oh, he doesn’t actually care about any of the values that he says he cares about. Like, he just cares about being the center of a personality cult. Right? Like... And and this would be obvious if you looked at any of his strategy. Like, it it it just wouldn’t work. It’s it’s obviously going to lose, and it’s obviously going to lose the culture war, which, you know, fortunately, he’s been increasingly frozen out... Or chosen more and more of a losing side on. Obviously, the big fear is he ends up partnering with, like, Biden junior and ends up doing something there. Because, like, you could do well among the democrats, which would be worrying, but... Okay. But... By the way, I love the Harry Potter song that I I put out yesterday where I have Harry Potter take on, like, the griper role and Malfoy to take on the role of, like, the nerdy new right person, and I thought I thought it was fun. A lot of people extremely fun. Were upset that Malfoyd would not be okay with, like, the more extreme griper mindset. And I really liked it because I was like, well, I don’t think Malfoyd would. I I think Malfoyd would be like, what do you... Like, obviously, this isn’t an effective way to win anything, and I I thought that you had, like, put thought into this. You weren’t just being, like, edgy for the sake of being edgy and hateful. And I I think that a lot of people are... Who who thought that they could do that or that they get social points for doing that, that currency is drying up at the same time. It’s all of this. At the same time, it’s a feminine currency for pretending to want to be a wife. Right? You can only do that for so many years when people are like, okay. So why aren’t you a mom yet? You know? Why aren’t you a wife yet? Why didn’t you do the thing? And so I think that that’s why we’re gonna see an increase in married female conservative influencers. One of one of the the the questions I have is I I think this will also likely correspond with a decrease in married female Democratic influencers or or left wing influencers. **Simone Collins**:Why do you say that? **Malcolm Collins**:So there’s a few reasons. I think that being married and being in a happy long term relationship in **Simone Collins**:Oh, it’s just gonna code I actually think that’s Malcolm. That’s already the case. Remember that one substack we went over? **Malcolm Collins**:Oh, yeah. We did. We did. **Simone Collins**:Sponge feminist and, like, this woman was married. this woman was married, but it sounded like she hated her husband. **Malcolm Collins**:Well, There article was on how, like, being married, like, was beginning to become not cool and, like, you know, you you don’t wanna tell people you’re married. You get embarrassed to... You **Simone Collins**:know? Right. Yeah. It’s true. **Malcolm Collins**:So we’re actually already seeing this. **Simone Collins**:Yeah. We’re already there. But I... The thing is whether the AI renaissance turns out to be a horror story for humans or it ends up being really, you know, great and all humans live in abundance and luxury, there’s gonna be a rise in homemaking regardless, Malcolm, because people aren’t gonna be working. So this genre of content, which ultimately is... And by the way, tradwife content is only idealized snapshots related to homemaking. Could be like getting eggs out of a coop, gardening, fixing things, decorating your house, or making food. That is what homemaking is, like homemaking content, basically. Kind of all people are gonna be doing, you know, like, a post AI age, and it’s gonna grow. The the... This is not on the decline. And people are just gonna keep Rorschach testing it and, like, acting as though it means something more than that when it never has. Martha Stewart was not a religious, like, promoter, not married, not living a certain lifestyle. She was... And and and not not not trad. You know, she was running a business again. **Malcolm Collins**:Well, I think that there’s authentic trad and inauthentic Trad, and I think that would really be right just **Simone Collins**:call it Trad Wifery, and they’re like, this this is setting unrealistic standards. It never set standards. It it just it just fetishized elements of home life that are lovely **Malcolm Collins**:because disagree with what you’re saying. I am... As I was saying, I think that there are two types of trad wife influencers. **Simone Collins**:Okay. **Malcolm Collins**:There are authentic and inauthentic trad wife influencers, and I think they appeal to two different demographics. The inauthentic trad wife influencers appeal to female audiences. These are the ones who are going over the top and who are doing things in ways that are obviously unsustainable. And the reason why females prefer to watch that is because just look at any of the female popular things that have gone big in the past, like cottagecore, goblincore, you know, any any of the women, women putting things away academia. Tours **Simone Collins**:Yeah. Yeah. **Malcolm Collins**:Academia. It’s always over the top, over, curated, over... Overdone. Like, it’s... You clearly couldn’t live in any of these aesthetics in any real context. It would be a nightmare to maintain. It’s not just the trad wife that is the nightmare to maintain. It’s every single one of these contexts that’s a nightmare to maintain. and, obviously, no one is really living dark academia or cottagecore or goblincore or whatever. They are aspirational aesthetics, and aspirational aesthetics only appeal to women. What the long term of that side of the trad wife movement is, I don’t know because I simply cannot empathize **Simone Collins**:with change. It’s just that there’s gonna be more demand for it because, again, people are gonna be unemployed. **Malcolm Collins**:But if you look at the other side, the authentic tradwife Who is the authentic tradwife? That’s what I just went over. You would be an example of the authentic tradwife **Simone Collins**:for it. I’m not. The... There... No one would associate me with tradwifery because I don’t post content. **Malcolm Collins**:Okay. Let’s... Do you not think that leftists think that you’re a tradwife? **Simone Collins**:No. No. They absolutely do. They think I’m a hipster eugenicist fascist Nazi. **Malcolm Collins**:They think you’re a tradwife. No. **Simone Collins**:I I Y’all can chime in in the comments. I don’t think **Speaker 8**:this is **Simone Collins**:a trad wife. **Malcolm Collins**:You you cook meals. You live with **Simone Collins**:your husband. You’re sick. You’re into him. Eat. No. That... But that’s not what a trad wife is. But that not the... That’s not the genre. **Malcolm Collins**:No. That is not how you as a woman... No man is going to consume the very narrow type of content that you call trad wife content. Yeah. You’re basically What’s the point? **Simone Collins**:This was never for men. It’s just like makeup that was never for men. **Malcolm Collins**:There are mini men that do want content with a traditional wife. And it’s true **Simone Collins**:because I see zero male demand for it. Then why **Malcolm Collins**:is our channel doing so well these days? Why... Like, do you not get... Do you **Speaker 8**:Because, Malcolm, our our channel **Simone Collins**:is Basecamp aka women are terrible. It’s a woman talking about... **Malcolm Collins**:A married woman talking about women being No. **Simone Collins**:It’s a smart man who’s like, oh, poor dumb wife. Let me explain to you how things actually **Malcolm Collins**:You’re drafting all of the anti women episodes. You’re drafting this episode. I don’t come up with these misogynistic ideas. **Simone Collins**:You’re fine. But that’s not tradwife content. It’s just not. It’s just not. People are gonna answer comments. **Malcolm Collins**:But I think you’re completely wrong on this one. I think it’s a new form of tradwife content that’s targeted at men, and you don’t like being boxed **Simone Collins**:in trap to say that, like, they’re... They... It’s not like they do a ton of stuff together, but you’re kind of saying, like, Darling Straub and Rev says Desu are tradwife content because they’re a mostly couple. Are you trying to say exactly trad wife. What... What’s the Disney couple? I mean, Clownfish TV. You’re trying to say they’re a trad wife? Because Yes. Obviously. **Speaker 8**:Malcolm, that’s not what... No. **Simone Collins**:That is that is a complete... There’s a different name for it. If there was one Oh, the different name for it. Yeah. **Malcolm Collins**:Hold on. Hold on. If it’s something other than a trad wife, what is the different name for it? **Simone Collins**:A couple’s channels, I guess. Like The obvious corporate friendly content. **Speaker 8**:For it. There isn’t a name for it. You just showed you didn’t know another name for it. **Simone Collins**:There is another... Because there... Nothing has been coined. I don’t think it’s been recognized as a genre. It’s not like people are like, I have hankering for content done by a wholesome couple that loves each other. I’m gonna turn on clownfish TV. I’m gonna watch rev says desu content. They don’t do that. **Malcolm Collins**:That... That’s what we watched Straub for. **Simone Collins**:Rotten mango. Rotten mango is another example of this. I don’t think you watch any Rotten mango, like, videos, but there is such a cute couple. you never see the husband. I don’t know what he looks like, but he always talks with his wife while she tell... Talks about, like, salacious things or tragic things, people being murdered. **Malcolm Collins**:There is such a thing as couple videos. **Simone Collins**:Okay? But you can’t search it. It’s not, like, hash hashtagged. **Malcolm Collins**:No. No. The the point I’m making is none of the the people who I just went through are a couple channel. Couple channels offer a very different experience. They are about a young, attractive couple **Simone Collins**:Oh, yeah. Those are gross. I hate those. No. Yeah. **Malcolm Collins**:Yeah. This... What I’m talking about, as I’ve said, a defining feature of the trad wife content is her husband is known, and she isn’t sexualized. That... If you if you watch, for example, clownfish TV, a husband, very known, character is never sexualized. Another great channel, Barrington. bearing, husband is known, wife is never... Well, I mean, he does call her sugar tits, but, I mean, she’s not meant to be sexy to the audience. It’s I’ve never heard of them. Okay. Yeah. You should watch it. It’s a great channel. I find it very funny. they’re an Australian couple. And they do content that is very... Yeah. It’s, very similar to ours. I’m gonna be honest. Not as intellectual, but, you know, more like rev level, like, cultural... But but maybe a bit higher if it’s not just responding to Twitter or something. But if you, Straub Straub used to be sexualized. She had a period where she was sexualized. And then she went forward through this whole, I’m Christian now. I’m deleting all my ASMR content. I’m deleting all that. I’m gonna be dedicated to my husband. We’re gonna have a kid together. I’m gonna try to make more wholesome content. she went through a change that I think shows this is what you do when you become a trout wife. You delete all your old sexy videos online, which, you know, unfortunately, you didn’t have. So you you weren’t able to come out and be like, I repudiate back when I was sexy, or tried to be **Simone Collins**:didn’t try, Malcolm. I know you never tried. **Malcolm Collins**:You never tried to be sexy. She never tried to lure in any man with her sex appeal. Imagine being a woman and just not using sex appeal to lure people. **Simone Collins**:Because I think women who use their sex appeal to lure people know that it’s there. **Malcolm Collins**:And you don’t think you have sex appeal? Yes. You you have... We have fans who, like, actively dislike me because I have crushes on you. You are aware of that. **Simone Collins**:Right. Any any regard for me would be so guys had crushes on me. They didn’t have crushes on me because I was sexy. They had crushes on me because I showed interest in what they were talking about and paid attention to them and affirmed them. And they assumed that that was... **Malcolm Collins**:But you’re not doing that with our audience. You’re just here to be sexy. Look at the... You know, all you’re doing is showing off your boobs, jiggle... Jiggling them around for the audience. **Speaker 8**:Oh my god. I think we’ve made our point with **Simone Collins**:this episode. I’m holding fast to mine, though, which is this concept is completely misunderstood because it’s just aspirational... Like, vacation snapshots of home life. That’s all it is. People fetishize it. Women are talking about it a lot because there’s a lot of tension. They want it, but they don’t feel like they’re allowed to want it. It’s been around for a very long time as is exemplified by Martha Stewart, and it’s only gonna get bigger because we ain’t gonna have jobs. The **Malcolm Collins**:I hold to my point, which is that we are moving into the era of neo trad or post trad, which is trad wives and AI videos. Well, I **Simone Collins**:think, like, corporate family content is probably gonna go up. Like, content creator studios essentially that are entire families, husband and wife teams, and maybe their kids, maybe. I don’t know. I don’t know. But, yeah, they’re... It’s like the the exodus that’s pretending... It’s it’s interesting, for example, that... I think people are trying to frame Nora Smith’s attempt to distance herself from the trad wife label as some, like, uh-oh. This is suddenly a toxic concept when really she was never part of it. She was always just posting aspirational Martha Stewart style videos and using that hashtag because it obviously helps to draw traffic, which she’s not an idiot. Anyway, I love you. Bye. **Malcolm Collins**:I love you. Bye. Gosh. **Malcolm Collins**:Pointing out that this is our software. We literally coded our own recording and editing software. **Simone Collins**:Yeah. I really like the new software you built for this. Yeah. We previously used a different a different platform, and then he was just like, I like this one. Like savages. Paying people like savages. Alright. Shall I do a quick intro for this one? Yes. Sure. **Malcolm Collins**:Do you have one planned? **Speaker 3**:Talk about in in in this podcast. **Simone Collins**:Tradwise. **Speaker 3**:Tradwise? Yeah. Okay. So could you... Maybe you could do a small intro, and then I’m gonna switch from so I can get Absolutely. Of you and, yeah, like, pretend that you’re actually doing this podcast, **Speaker 12**:We had a French journalist over who wanted to watch us record an episode, so that’s who’s in the background. And for people who don’t know, we have a journal server about once every, I don’t know, once every other week, once every third week these days. just a lot of people wanna talk about us, so that’s cool. **Malcolm Collins**:Potter things. **Simone Collins**:They’re delightful. Great way to advertise. The, **Malcolm Collins**:the Snape one I did about, the allegory for being trans where Snape turns black. Yeah. that one, I literally didn’t even review. I just gave it a song and the lyrics, and I said finish it end to end. That’s why it has so many mistakes in it. but, I think that shows how good, output you can get without review. **Simone Collins**:That’s crazy. **Malcolm Collins**:And I changed our API so you don’t even need to issue yourself an API anymore. You can just go to rfab.ai backslash API, and it will automatically give you something you can copy and paste into any LLM that **Simone Collins**:you need. Saw that. Yeah. **Malcolm Collins**:That was perfect. Allow you to use Rfab whenever you want going forwards for... Basically, it gives your AI the ability to make images, videos, graphics, three d art, and a lot of tools, music, and a lot of tools for the AI to transform that stuff into something cool. You know? Like, it it it doesn’t just give it that stuff. It also includes all the instructions that it needs to use it well. A lot of it actually came from SkyBrows. Like, we went through his advice on building stuff, and we built that into an API that AIs can use more easily. **Simone Collins**:Because he’s the best. My gosh. **Malcolm Collins**:But you can’t even tell **Simone Collins**:Where had we left off with this episode? **Malcolm Collins**:You didn’t make a note? **Simone Collins**:Do you remember anything? I, like, dissociate when we’re around journalists. **Speaker 14**:Potter, sit down and put down your quill. I took this from a muggle, and I’m feeling quite ill. It’s a glowing black mirror they carry all day, and it shows them whatever they ask it to display. And I found an archivefanfiction.net. I’ve read Riddle’s diary, and this scared me worse yet. 10,000 new stories a day, pot anew. Let me just tell you what’s in them. It’s ew. Our werewolves are monsters. The full moon’s a date. We lock ours in cellars. They’d use them to mate. Vampires, they sparkle. Dementors, they kiss. It sucks out your soul, and they’re queuing for this. The merpeople, gray with their spears and their teeth, and the muggles all ask, what do they have underneath? And centaurs would trample you calling one steed. There are muggles who think that’s just what they need. I mean, have you ever seen a centaur’s logistics? Logistics? Your insides would look like they were hit with ballistics. **Speaker 15**:I thought we’d go to war. **Speaker 14**:And we’d win it with luck. **Speaker 15**:But if we face them, they just want to f\*\*k. **Speaker 14**:Click the statute of secrecy, and then they want to be subjected and put in a pen. Oh, god. The statue that stands in the hall. Magic is might, the most dreadful of all. A witch and a wizard enthroned on a pile of naked muggles and stone. We carved it to inspire fear, to show every muggle we’re not their appear. So I searched it, they’d queue round the block. There’s a forum of muggles who pay to be rock. They don’t call it torture, they call it a scene. They’d ask for a safe word, and then for a queen, Yaxley’s crudest idea set in black stone. And the top comment asks, is there one for my home? And Potter just smirked, which I did not enjoy. He said, have you searched your own name? Oh, that boy. Fine. I’m a Malfoyed. They’ll write that I’m feared. I typed it. It loaded. How are these muggles reared? There was art. **Speaker 15**:There were stories galore. 200,000, and I **Speaker 14**:won’t say what for. Why is my name glued to yours with a little slash mark? Why is... What are these tags? Oh, gosh. That got dark. Wait. How is that even possible? Is he charmed? That is not what it’s for. I am alarmed. Give it here, Potter. No, Potter. It’s mine. Don’t search. Everything’s fine. There’s no drarry. Ignore the lot or I’ll **Speaker 15**:obliviate you right on the spot. I thought we’d go to war and we’d win it with luck, but you face them. They just want to f\*\*k. They don’t fear they will be hexed. The only thing they fear is they won’t get sex. It’s not like I wanted to read it. It was for science. **Speaker 14**:Stop smiling. I won’t stand this defiance. **Speaker 15**:Baka. **Speaker 14**:Baka. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe