JoAnna Novak

And then there's also all this commentary that came out on July 24th before the Nara Smith i- king- thing came out on the, in the New York Times, and this went super viral.

And this article or op-ed came out called Help, I Might Be a Tradwife, in which this poet named Joanna Novak writes about feeling unexpectedly drawn to aspects of domestic life, like cooking or caring for children or homemaking, while still rejecting the political and ideological associations with tradwifery.

And it was such a popular article, um, that it got its own follow-up called Challenging the Tradwife Trend.

And basically you can see a- among the New York Times set, this tension between like, oh, but like it w- looks really nice, but like no, it's evil, it's bad.