Hannah Neeleman
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Oct 31, 2026
Tia LevingsGUEST
Because there's a difference between a real authentic trad wife and a trad wife influencer.
Tia LevingsGUEST
So if you've only seen Ballerina Farm or Nara Smith, you might wonder like, well, that's not so bad, right? They're just like, Nara's just making food and Ballerina Farms has got a lot of money and she's just got a pretty family and blah, blah, blah.
Tia LevingsGUEST
Hiding behind all of that is the... much deeper truth about the patriarchy's agenda for women.
Tia LevingsGUEST
So this traditional wife and mother movement started in the late 80s.
Tia LevingsGUEST
They don't have an unmonitored phone.
Tia LevingsGUEST
They don't have internet in their house.
Tia LevingsGUEST
You know, like Ballerina Farm and Nara Smith can decide they're no longer going to be trad wives because they have the money and agency to segue into something else.
Tia LevingsGUEST
But the women underneath them and underneath that second tier of influencers cannot.
Anne Helen PetersenGUEST
And they think of this as biblically wrought.
Anne Helen PetersenGUEST
And I think that sometimes people... assume that like if someone is mormon then they are a trad wife right when that is not the case right at all and it is the case with some mormons that they believe in this understanding of submission but even the idea that ballerina farm hannah nealman that she is like the ur trad wife to me She is fetishizing a old school understanding of what like frontier lifestyle looks like.
Anne Helen PetersenGUEST
But that is different than saying like I submit entirely to my husband and that wives should not go out in public with like... that should not go to the gym without their husband, should not, like, walk down the road.
Anne Helen PetersenGUEST
Like, there is a real difference between the sort of trad wifism that, say, like, Bernadine Bluntly, who is also someone that we're going to talk about later.
Kate LindsayHOST
Yes.
Kate LindsayHOST
Yeah.
Kate LindsayHOST
Well, yeah, you mentioned another person in there, Hannah Nealman, aka Ballerina Farm.
Kate LindsayHOST
She's also, I like put, she's sort of held up as the, with two E's, trod wife.
Anne Helen PetersenGUEST
And they think of this as biblically wrought.
Anne Helen PetersenGUEST
And I think that sometimes people... assume that like if someone is mormon then they are a trad wife right when that is not the case right at all and it is the case with some mormons that they believe in this understanding of submission but even the idea that ballerina farm hannah nealman that she is like the ur trad wife to me She is fetishizing a old school understanding of what like frontier lifestyle looks like.
Anne Helen PetersenGUEST
But that is different than saying like I submit entirely to my husband and that wives should not go out in public with like... that should not go to the gym without their husband, should not, like, walk down the road.
Anne Helen PetersenGUEST
Like, there is a real difference between the sort of trad wifism that, say, like, Bernadine Bluntly, who is also someone that we're going to talk about later.
Kate LindsayHOST
Yes.
Kate LindsayHOST
Yeah.
Kate LindsayHOST
Well, yeah, you mentioned another person in there, Hannah Nealman, aka Ballerina Farm.
Kate LindsayHOST
She's also, I like put, she's sort of held up as the, with two E's, trod wife.
Anne Helen PetersenGUEST
And they think of this as biblically wrought.
Anne Helen PetersenGUEST
And I think that sometimes people... assume that like if someone is mormon then they are a trad wife right when that is not the case right at all and it is the case with some mormons that they believe in this understanding of submission but even the idea that ballerina farm hannah nealman that she is like the ur trad wife to me She is fetishizing a old school understanding of what like frontier lifestyle looks like.
Anne Helen PetersenGUEST
But that is different than saying like I submit entirely to my husband and that wives should not go out in public with like... that should not go to the gym without their husband, should not, like, walk down the road.
Anne Helen PetersenGUEST
Like, there is a real difference between the sort of trad wifism that, say, like, Bernadine Bluntley, who is also someone that we're going to talk about later.
Kate LindsayHOST
Yeah.
Kate LindsayHOST
I know that she's sort of your particular area of expertise, if one can have one in this.
Kate LindsayHOST
Would you want to briefly catch listeners up on who Ballerina Farm is? So she is a
Anne Helen PetersenGUEST
really beautiful former dancer.
Erin DavisHOST
I think she liked it, but she just didn't realize how difficult it was and really what it meant.
Erin DavisHOST
And I think that's sort of the cultural, you know, sort of the social comment about the book is that this has become a trend, right? People love the Tradwives, the Ballerina Farm, all these shows that are...
Erin DavisHOST
you know, kind of highlighting this new world.
Erin DavisHOST
And I think the idea is, you know, be careful what you wish for and realize that like, yeah,
DominiqueGUEST
Then the trend exploded on TikTok during the pandemic when its pastel vintage look felt like an escape from the lockdown chaos.
DominiqueGUEST
Its biggest face is Hannah Nielman, Ballerina Farm.
DominiqueGUEST
Also, we have Norris Smith, who, although I think now the latest update is she's kind of moving away from the trad wife role, aesthetic and branding.
DominiqueGUEST
So she was at one point a very big Tradwife influencer.
DominiqueGUEST
And Ballerina Farm has more than 10 million Instagram followers.
DominiqueGUEST
Many expected this trend to fade after the pandemic, but it stuck around and Google searches for Tradwife has kept rising across Europe, North America and beyond over the past five years.
DominiqueGUEST
There's also a twist, another twist worth raising.
Rene SteelmanHOST
And apparently, absolutely nobody in that household has ever eaten a Costco rotisserie chicken over the kitchen sink.
Rene SteelmanHOST
And this is where Ballerina Farm becomes fascinating.
Rene SteelmanHOST
Hannah Nealman says, is a Juilliard-trained dancer, mother of eight, and the woman behind Ballerina Farm.
Rene SteelmanHOST
But here's the important nuance.
Rene SteelmanHOST
Nealman doesn't fully embrace the Tradwife label.
Rene SteelmanHOST
Time reported in 2025 that Ballerina Farm is both the family's business and her social media identity, reaching about 20 million followers across Instagram and TikTok at that time.
Rene SteelmanHOST
She told Time that parts of the Tradwife label resonate with her and other parts don't.
Rene SteelmanHOST
And that actually makes her more interesting for this conversation because Hannah Nealman isn't merely a homemaker.
Andrew RimbyHOST
yeah thank you hannah
Hannah SelingerGUEST
um i think i think people got mad at like nara um i think people were like you know it's not doable like we can't actually do this bullshit like it looks cute and we like scrolling on it but this is not real life and like fuck you fuck you ballerina farm like this is not we can't really live like that and like it's precious and it's sweet but like no one can really perform like that and this is all an act and it's a joke and caro really called them out on it like she really stripped it away and was like see what you're doing is bullshit like It's actual bullshit.
Hannah SelingerGUEST
In order to do this ballerina farm, you have to own JetBlue Airlines.
Hannah SelingerGUEST
That's the key.
Hannah SelingerGUEST
In order to do this, Nara, you have to actually be a model and be raking in millions of dollars on the side and have a full-ass production team.
Katha PollittGUEST
I think people are kind of seeing through it.
Katha PollittGUEST
The other trad wife who is very famous is, and that the book is partly based on, is Hannah Neelyman or Ballerina Farm.
Katha PollittGUEST
Oh, yes.
Katha PollittGUEST
I was going to ask
Burt CohenHOST
about that.
Katha PollittGUEST
Yeah.
Katha PollittGUEST
So Ballerina Farm, Hannah Neelyman, she went to Juilliard.
Katha PollittGUEST
She wanted to be a ballet dancer.
Kristin Kobes Du MezGUEST
We're gonna find some trad Cats, you know, Catholics, a lot of Mormons.
Kristin Kobes Du MezGUEST
Ballerina Farm is in there, right? Hannah Neeleman is Mormon.
Kristin Kobes Du MezGUEST
Um, so I knew right from the start that I was going to be talking about not just white Evangelicals, and you'll notice the difference in the subtitles between Jesus and John Wayne.
Kristin Kobes Du MezGUEST
That's white Evangelicals around masculinity and militarism, so it's a specific thread within white Evangelicalism.
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