Sep 23, 2026 · 59 min · 14 segments
What if becoming a better therapist has less to do with learning more techniques—and more to do with learning how to read what is happening in the room? In this episode of the Therapy Wisdom Podcast…
Brian SpielmannHost
I mean, it's just listening to your story, like you have the complexity of growing up in Germany, getting-- and then having a very enlightened cat that taught you about DAN.

... like you're training at Naropa, then meeting Peter Levine, getting that training, and then Susan Potvin and, um-
I kept following also, oh, I need to know about this, so I need to know.
I, I think one of my biggest, um, guides have been just my appetite for learning.
I'm like, "I need to know about this." [chuckles] So then I would learn.
And, uh, I think that's part of a therapist's job is to keep learning because we, we don't know the, the fullness of human experience.

I, I have a question about that for you, 'cause now with the internet, there's so much available.

Um, so one is discernment, like what, what's your next level, and then not getting stuck in one route.

I mean, it's just listening to your story, like you have the complexity of growing up in Germany, getting-- and then having a very enlightened cat that taught you about DAN.

... like you're training at Naropa, then meeting Peter Levine, getting that training, and then Susan Potvin and, um-
I kept following also, oh, I need to know about this, so I need to know.
I, I think one of my biggest, um, guides have been just my appetite for learning.
I'm like, "I need to know about this." [chuckles] So then I would learn.
And, uh, I think that's part of a therapist's job is to keep learning because we, we don't know the, the fullness of human experience.

I, I have a question about that for you, 'cause now with the internet, there's so much available.

Um, so one is discernment, like what, what's your next level, and then not getting stuck in one route.
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