Mm.

And I also knew how to teach a little bit of mindfulness, so it was very, very potent.

I didn't know it at the time even.

And that was a time when Peter Levine also came into my picture.

So I started to study with him, uh, because Mariana Ekberg brought him in for us young clinicians to be trained.

And he wasn't even a big SE practitioner then.

I mean, it wasn't really a thing then.

Like, how those non-Western frameworks shape how you understand what's happening in the body during healing?

... made aware of that story.

Right, until she processed it in therapy.

Part of it is that the olfactory sense is the oldest, and it's the one that also alerts us the first to any kind of danger.

So, uh, smells, that's why we're often, you know, triggered by smells and then sound also.

They're part of our ancient neurological system.

So that's often like that.

People have smells, and they go like, "Oh, I don't know why I'm being triggered." And then they're having the fight, flight, freeze, and appease responses come up because they're triggered by a sound or a smell or touch, right? And that they don't have necessarily the memory, the, um, concrete memory, especially if they're under three, to really remember what actually happened.

... internal body language.