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The Prestige TV Podcast

‘Cape Fear’ Episode 6: The Bowden Backrooms

Jul 3, 2026 · 1 hr 6 min · 17 segments

Jo and Rob take a trip to recap the sixth episode of ‘Cape Fear.’ (0:00) Intro (2:56) Mailbag check-in (7:54) The black-and-white flashback (14:14) What’s happening with Zack? (17:30) New characters (21:43) Max Cady (34:20) Macrodosin’ (52:30) There’s something in the walls (58:25) The ‘Cape Fear’ corkboard! Email us! [thinkofababycarrot@gmail.com](mailto:thinkofababycarrot@gmail.com) or [prestigetv@spotify.com](mailto:prestigetv@spotify.com) Follow us on [IG](https://www.instagram.com/prestigetvpod/) and [TikTok](https://www.tiktok.com/@prestigetvpod?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc)! Subscribe to the [Ringer TV YouTube channel](https://www.youtube.com/@Ringer-TV) here for full episodes of ‘The Prestige TV Podcast’ and so much more! Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney Producers: Kai Grady and Devon Renaldo Additional Production Support: Justin Sayles and Jacob Cornett Learn more about your ad choices. Visit [podcastchoices.com/adchoices](https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices)

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Heinz, Kraft & Oscar Mayer Cookout Spot0:00 – 0:36

Joanna RobinsonHost0:00

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Rob MahoneyHost0:04

This summer we're celebrating 250 years of American cookouts with all the classics, Heinz, Kraft, and Oscar Mayer.

Joanna RobinsonHost0:10

Rob, what's your ideal cookout scenario?

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Rob MahoneyHost0:12

First of all, I want you on the aux.

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Rob MahoneyHost0:14

I trust you with that sacred responsibility-

Joanna RobinsonHost0:16

Do you?

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Rob MahoneyHost0:16

... to pick our music.

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Rob MahoneyHost0:17

I'm gonna have to man the grill, and I'm gonna need, like, a copious amount of condiments.

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Rob MahoneyHost0:21

I need every possible fixin imaginable.

Joanna RobinsonHost0:23

Well, make sure to top your burger with only the best, Heinz Ketchup and Kraft Singles.

Joanna RobinsonHost0:28

And you know it's not a cookout without Heinz Ketchup and Mustard.

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Rob MahoneyHost0:30

Different vibes, same ingredients.

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Rob MahoneyHost0:32

We all know it's not a cookout without Heinz, Kraft, and Oscar Mayer.

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Rob MahoneyHost0:35

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[upbeat music]

Welcome & Episode Set-Up1:25 – 1:37

Joanna RobinsonHost1:25

Hello, welcome back to the Prestige TV Podcast.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:27

We are Joeita Robinson.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:28

I'm Rob Mahoney.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:29

We're here to talk to you about Cape Fear.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:31

The episode is called Possum.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:34

Uh, this is episode six of the season.

Coffee Tasting, NBA Talk & Housekeeping1:37 – 4:06

Joanna RobinsonHost1:37

How are you feeling?

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Rob MahoneyHost1:38

I couldn't have been more excited to see the episode title.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:41

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost1:42

And I was just waiting all throughout the episode, like is this gonna be the actual possum-

Joanna RobinsonHost1:46

Yeah

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Rob MahoneyHost1:46

... or is it gonna be a metaphorical possum? Probably both, but definitely a literal possum.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:50

Definitely a literal possum.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:52

Uh, this episode was written by Brian Evenson and directed by Trey Edward Shults who has directed a number of films including Krisha, It Comes At Night-

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Rob MahoneyHost2:01

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost2:01

...

Joanna RobinsonHost2:01

Waves.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:02

Krisha, for the drug trip aspect of...

Joanna RobinsonHost2:05

Not that Krisha's about that, but just sort of like his ability to do claustrophobic, family, the walls are closing in kind of storytelling, this is, this is a really good match of episode to director.

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Rob MahoneyHost2:17

Well-

Joanna RobinsonHost2:18

So

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Rob MahoneyHost2:18

... and It Comes At Night for like the batten down the hatches, like, dread-

Joanna RobinsonHost2:21

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:21

Yeah

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Rob MahoneyHost2:21

... that looms over really this entire show, but definitely this episode.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:24

Absolutely.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:25

We are drinking something special on this episode.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:27

No free ads at all.

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Rob MahoneyHost2:29

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:29

And Savannah Coffee Roasters did not send us this coffee, but our listener Tim from Savannah did send us some, like, Savannah Coffee Roasters Good & Evil beans.

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Rob MahoneyHost2:40

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:40

And so we have brewed it up.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:42

He also sent us to-go cups from the Savannah Coffee Roasters.

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Rob MahoneyHost2:45

They're really quite beautiful.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:46

They are beautiful.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:47

If you're watching this on video you can see them.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:49

If not, just listen to us sip them I guess.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:51

But we're gonna try the co- We have not tried it yet.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:54

We brewed it.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:54

I brewed it.

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Rob MahoneyHost2:55

You did.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:55

I might have brewed it poorly.

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Rob MahoneyHost2:56

No.

Joanna RobinsonHost2:57

But we made some coffee, and we're gonna drink it on a microphone as is podcasting.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:02

I think you have to do the honors.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:03

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:04

[laughs] Um.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:08

Ooh, actually, it's kinda good.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:10

It's quite nice.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:10

It's bitter in a way that I like.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:12

I like bitter coffee.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:12

I think you brewed this beautifully.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:14

Oh, thank you so much.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:14

I think this is exactly as strong as I like my coffee.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:17

I think the...

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Rob MahoneyHost3:18

I mean, it's probably, what? A medium roast I would say, this one.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:20

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:20

Mm-hmm.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:20

Right in my sweet spot.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:21

Right in the zone.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:22

This is really good.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:23

Uh-

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Rob MahoneyHost3:23

Savannah Co- See, but is it so good-

Joanna RobinsonHost3:25

Yes

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Rob MahoneyHost3:26

... that if you bit off your toe-

Joanna RobinsonHost3:27

Yes

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Rob MahoneyHost3:27

... and returned from the hospital-

Joanna RobinsonHost3:28

It's all I would want.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:29

[laughs] I only want one thing.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:31

No free ads, but that's a good ad.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:32

Ad.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:33

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost3:34

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost3:34

Savannah Coffee Roasters.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:35

So thank you to Tim.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:37

Uh, thanks for the delicious coffee.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:39

No thanks to you, Savannah Coffee Roasters.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:40

No free ads.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:41

All right.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:41

No.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:41

I genuinely need it too.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:42

Like, look-

Joanna RobinsonHost3:43

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost3:43

... it's, it's a big NBA time.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:45

What's going on in the NBA?

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Rob MahoneyHost3:46

Uh, I mean, not to date this podcast, but you know, there's a lot of activity happening-

Joanna RobinsonHost3:49

Oh

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Rob MahoneyHost3:49

... around the off season.

Joanna RobinsonHost3:51

A lot of trades.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:51

A lot of trades, a lot of signings, a lot of hypothetical signings, a lot of legendary players being like, "Bye bye."

Joanna RobinsonHost3:56

Oh.

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Rob MahoneyHost3:56

And so here I am in desperate need of exactly this kind of Savannah Coffee Roasters roast.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:01

Now if that ain't good advertising, I don't know what is.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:03

All right.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:04

A couple emails before we get started.

Listener Mailbag & Possession Theories4:06 – 9:01

Joanna RobinsonHost4:06

I should say, resounding support for your possession theory from the comments and the email.

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Rob MahoneyHost4:12

I appreciate it.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:12

I've just, like, never seen such a unanimous clamoring of Rob was right in my life.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:17

How do you feel about it?

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Rob MahoneyHost4:18

I feel great about it, but I'm waiting to hear the resounding support from the one voice that is important to me, which is yours.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:23

Oh.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:24

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost4:24

[laughs] Do you now support the possession theory?

Joanna RobinsonHost4:28

Not really, but there's more evidence pro your theory in this episode.

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Rob MahoneyHost4:32

Certainly.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:33

Uh-

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Rob MahoneyHost4:34

I think my-

Joanna RobinsonHost4:34

When he says, "Fuck you, Anna."

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Rob MahoneyHost4:36

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:36

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:36

"I'm worried about my dad," and it kinda seems like maybe he's not talking about Tom there.

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Rob MahoneyHost4:40

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:40

Like, yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:42

There's some stuff.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:42

Anything else you want to say on the possession front?

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Rob MahoneyHost4:44

Oh, many things.

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Rob MahoneyHost4:45

I mean, my-

Joanna RobinsonHost4:45

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:45

We'll get to it

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Rob MahoneyHost4:46

... my position has shifted slightly, but I'm still firmly in the possession camp.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:49

Okay, but slightly away from 100% certain to, like, 98% certain?

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Rob MahoneyHost4:53

More shifting way of who is doing the possessing.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:55

Oh.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:56

Oh.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:57

Oh, fun.

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Rob MahoneyHost4:57

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost4:58

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost4:58

Possession watch continues.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:00

Um, our listener Matt, on the possession beat, wrote in to say, "I know you guys haven't watched Brand New Cherry Flavor," which is a, a, a show by Nick Antosca who, who is the showrunner of this show, that our listeners already-

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Rob MahoneyHost5:11

Mm

Joanna RobinsonHost5:11

... recommended to us.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:12

Um, and I promise I'll sh- Oh, I guess Matt, Matt recommended it to us.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:15

"I promise I'll shut up about it, but there was some freaky witch mind control stuff in that series that Cape Fear is giving notes of.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:21

While Brand New Cherry Flavor was more plant and cat based, here it seems we have Santeria hoodoo inspired magic that apparently lets people control other bodies.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:30

I totally agree that possession should now be on the board.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:32

This show is bonkers." Our listener Kathy or Kath wrote in to talk about a certain drug that people have already emailed us about.

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Rob MahoneyHost5:41

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:41

Uh, scopolamine.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:44

Uh, "I'm just gonna reiterate this because it seems quite persuasive, and we've got a lot of emails about it.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:49

I am assuming that you've not heard of this plant spirit medicine, quote, devil's breath, a derivative of datura, sometimes known as the world's scariest drug.

Joanna RobinsonHost5:56

It is actually used medically in small doses for motion sickness," scopolamine, "and has been used for possession type situations in which it can turn people into zombies and sort of make them highly suggestible, kind of dead in the heart." I don't know how you're thinking this possession theory work, like, plays out, but if it's, if it's this drug based- ...

Joanna RobinsonHost6:15

sort of highly suggestible sort of thing.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:17

Does that fulfill the prompt for you?

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Rob MahoneyHost6:19

I don't know.

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Rob MahoneyHost6:19

I mean, clearly you could be suggestible to the point where someone tells you you are a dog and you act like a dog.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:25

Yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost6:25

I wouldn't say that's being possessed by a dog, though.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:27

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:28

Because in this episode, a, a point in your favor, I think, that you made last ne- week was, like, have we ever seen Neveah and, uh, Zach in the same place?

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Rob MahoneyHost6:36

We now have, unfortunately.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:37

We now have.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:38

Briefly-

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Rob MahoneyHost6:38

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost6:38

... before he-

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Rob MahoneyHost6:39

But they were there

Joanna RobinsonHost6:40

... hightails it out of there.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:42

Uh, we've gotten a lot of emails about this, about this, so I thought I w- I would finally address it.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:46

Um, our listener Ben, and many other people, have pointed out the Hyundai product placement inside of this show.

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Rob MahoneyHost6:52

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost6:53

Basically, m- most specifically that Amy Adams, uh, her character Anna, is driving a Hyundai that people think is, like, just way too practical.

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Rob MahoneyHost7:02

No, call it out.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:04

She...

Joanna RobinsonHost7:05

What?

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Rob MahoneyHost7:05

I think, I think you can do worse.

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Rob MahoneyHost7:06

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost7:07

[laughs] What would you call it? I don't know.

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Rob MahoneyHost7:08

I don't know.

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Rob MahoneyHost7:08

I think the implication is this is, like, a low-rent-

Joanna RobinsonHost7:11

Yeah

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Rob MahoneyHost7:11

... automobile for someone of her legal stature.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:13

If they belong to the country club and have this massive house with a pool and stuff like that, they're not driving Hyundais is what they're saying.

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Rob MahoneyHost7:19

It's a very nice house.

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Rob MahoneyHost7:20

Did you s-

Joanna RobinsonHost7:21

Like, a Hyundai is a fine car

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Rob MahoneyHost7:22

... a fine car, but did you see their sunroom? Like, the greenery-

Joanna RobinsonHost7:25

Oh

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Rob MahoneyHost7:25

... around their house, around their-

Joanna RobinsonHost7:26

Tile work.

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Rob MahoneyHost7:27

Come on.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:28

So good.

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Rob MahoneyHost7:28

That's not Hyundai tire-

Joanna RobinsonHost7:30

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost7:30

... tile work, I'm sorry to say.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:31

Ben says the double Hyundai meetup scene, when the two cars are parked in the, in the rain, are we to believe she really drives a Hyundai as part of the Savannah elite, LOL.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:40

LOL.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:40

So no free ads for Hyundai, uh, from us either, I guess.

Joanna RobinsonHost7:44

Uh, and then f- for weeks now our listeners have been writing in to let us know that in the scene where Max gets the shit kicked out of him in prison, they were like, "I spotted actor Paul Calderon in the corner just watching him.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:00

Hey, guys, why didn't you note that Paul Calderon [laughs] was there?" Anyway, Paul Calderon was there.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:05

He plays the Padrino who dies-

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Rob MahoneyHost8:06

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost8:06

...

Joanna RobinsonHost8:06

in this episode.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:07

But a lot of people recognized him as a, you know, very, uh, prolific TV actor.

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Rob MahoneyHost8:14

Of course.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost8:14

And there's clearly a guy-

Joanna RobinsonHost8:16

So actor

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Rob MahoneyHost8:16

... lingering in the background of those shots.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:18

Yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost8:18

We were distracted, I would say, slightly by the Nazis getting their head beaten in-

Joanna RobinsonHost8:21

Mm

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Rob MahoneyHost8:21

... on various, like-

Joanna RobinsonHost8:22

I, you love to see it.

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Rob MahoneyHost8:23

I, [laughs] you simply do.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:25

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost8:25

We were cheering it-

Joanna RobinsonHost8:26

Yeah

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Rob MahoneyHost8:26

... and we were distracted from the reality of who was in the background.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:29

It's true.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:30

We also got another...

Joanna RobinsonHost8:30

You can corroborate this for me.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:31

We got a number of comments from listeners letting us know that a cigar locker is also called a humidor.

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Rob MahoneyHost8:36

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:36

Which is something I had floated by you, but it got edited out of the podcast just 'cause I think our beloved producers were trying to make me not look stupid by guessing the wrong thing, but apparently a humidor is a cigar locker.

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Rob MahoneyHost8:47

That never happened.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:47

That happened.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:48

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost8:48

She didn't, she didn't say that.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:49

Rob?

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Rob MahoneyHost8:49

Okay, you, you actually did.

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Rob MahoneyHost8:51

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost8:51

I said humidor.

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Rob MahoneyHost8:52

You did say it.

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Rob MahoneyHost8:53

It got lost in the chop.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:54

It did, lost in the chop.

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Rob MahoneyHost8:55

But so it goes.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:55

These things happen, and I really appreciate our producers always looking out for us.

Joanna RobinsonHost8:58

Okay, anything else before we get into the episode?

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Rob MahoneyHost9:00

Let's get into it.

Recap Part 1 – Prison Flashbacks & Food Talk9:01 – 30:22

Joanna RobinsonHost9:01

We start with a prison flashback.

Joanna RobinsonHost9:03

How do you feel about this, this black and white flashback to...

Joanna RobinsonHost9:06

It's a leng- a lengthy one.

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Rob MahoneyHost9:08

The purposes it serves in this episode for the Season 1 show us how Max kind of found his way into this religious orbit, if not exactly the religion he ends up going into-

Joanna RobinsonHost9:18

Yeah

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Rob MahoneyHost9:18

...

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Rob MahoneyHost9:18

the depths of.

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Rob MahoneyHost9:19

Um, and then also kind of introducing the idea of part of the appeal is, like, that you are in touch with the dead, right? That you can channel or access the energy or see your lost loved ones, which becomes a-

Joanna RobinsonHost9:32

AI slop version or otherwise.

Joanna RobinsonHost9:33

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost9:33

Okay, that's my first question.

Joanna RobinsonHost9:35

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost9:35

Is, is the AI slop so creepily accurate-

Joanna RobinsonHost9:39

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost9:39

... that it is the exact ghost channeling-

Joanna RobinsonHost9:41

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost9:41

... that Max has seen years and years ago?

Joanna RobinsonHost9:43

What if a, what if the ghost is in the machine?

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Rob MahoneyHost9:45

Well, now my question is did Max or Neveah create said AI slop-

Joanna RobinsonHost9:49

Oh

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Rob MahoneyHost9:49

... and f- and funnel it to Zach via the algorithm?

Joanna RobinsonHost9:52

Oh, interesting.

Joanna RobinsonHost9:53

Um-

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Rob MahoneyHost9:54

It seems as plausible to me as one of them-

Joanna RobinsonHost9:56

As literally-

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Rob MahoneyHost9:56

... being a great WOW player

Joanna RobinsonHost9:57

... literally anything else.

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Rob MahoneyHost9:59

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost9:59

You're something of a journalist yourself.

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Rob MahoneyHost10:01

Formerly, but yeah, sure.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:04

What do you think of, uh, a headline that just says "Guilty" in all caps, [laughs] which we see in the clippings on Max's prison wall?

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Rob MahoneyHost10:13

I think it's pretty grabby.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:14

Guilty.

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Rob MahoneyHost10:15

You know?

Joanna RobinsonHost10:15

Would you do an exclamation mark or just guilt- guilty all caps?

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Rob MahoneyHost10:18

Well, I mean, a, I mean, as you and I both know, a crooked politician doesn't grab the headlines anymore.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:23

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost10:23

It's not selling papers.

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:24

So it needs to be something immediate, exclamative.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:29

Yeah.

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Rob MahoneyHost10:29

I th- I think it would fly off the shelves.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:31

We need a good assassination.

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:32

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost10:32

We need an earthquake or a war.

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Rob MahoneyHost10:33

That's what I'm saying.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:34

Is that what you're saying? Okay.

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Rob MahoneyHost10:34

Or a guilty verdict.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:35

Um, I, that just really cracked me up.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:38

It was like guilty in all caps is the entire headline, and then, like, you know, the subhead.

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Rob MahoneyHost10:42

We should say, I think this is sometimes, despite its subject matter, the funniest episode of this season to date.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:48

I really liked this episode.

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:48

It was very good and very fun.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:50

Um, I had a really, really good time with it.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:52

Like, I understand what this show is, I feel like, fully now more than ever.

R

Rob MahoneyHost10:57

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:57

And-

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Rob MahoneyHost10:57

You know who else does? Javier Bardem.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:59

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost10:59

Oh, Javier Bardem definitely knows.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:01

But also just, like, the LSD drug trip, uh, who could ask for anything more? By the way, all the people who thought it wasn't LSD, how's that taste?

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Rob MahoneyHost11:12

[laughs] You're just taking victory laps today.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:17

Humidor and LSD.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:18

Anyway, um, he's also reading Nietzsche in prison-

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:22

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost11:22

...

Joanna RobinsonHost11:22

among other things.

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:22

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:23

Um, did you freeze frame all of his books? I just saw Nietzsche.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:25

I didn't stop to go back.

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Rob MahoneyHost11:26

I mean, just various legal texts.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:27

Okay.

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Rob MahoneyHost11:27

Nothing interesting other than the Nietzsche.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:29

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:31

I liked this a lot, um, as a sort of origin story for his foray into a, a religion that he will eventually bastardize into his own, uh, thing.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:42

I also think that after Episode 5, the midway point last week, this idea that, like, we know Max is bad news-

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:49

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost11:49

... like, we already suspected it, but the show's like, "No, for real, he's bad news."

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:52

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:52

And so when we watch him shiv someone to death this episode, we're like, "Yep, that's Max.

Joanna RobinsonHost11:57

Sounds right."

R

Rob MahoneyHost11:58

I, I appreciate our journey with that, though.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:00

Mm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:00

Like, if you're gonna make this a 10-episode season, we come into Episode 1-

Joanna RobinsonHost12:04

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:04

... and he's basically Joss.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:06

Like, down to you get, like, the R'uscheider zoom onto Amy Adams at the gala.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:10

Like-

Joanna RobinsonHost12:10

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:10

... they're just playing it that way.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:12

Two through five is, like, driving the Bodens crazy with plausible deniability.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:16

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:16

And then here he's just s-, like-

Joanna RobinsonHost12:17

It's Joss 3.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:18

[laughs] Apparently it's Joss 3D.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:20

This time it's personal.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:20

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:20

This time it is very personal We're inviting, you know, you're over at our dinner table and I'm gonna tell you, "Fuck you," uh, and I'm gonna threaten you outright.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:28

Like, we, we are past the point of neighborly pleasantries by the end of six.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:31

Funny tummy from LSD or no, if you walk into someone's house and they're frying up some pig ears, are you partaking?

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:38

Absolutely.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:39

I know you are.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:39

I love a pig ear.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:40

I know you're, you're an ad- you're an, an adventurous eater.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:42

Are you not a pig ear person?

Joanna RobinsonHost12:43

I don't know ...

Joanna RobinsonHost12:43

I don't believe I've ever had-

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:44

Got you

Joanna RobinsonHost12:45

... a, a pig ear.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:45

This is the way to do it.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:46

Crispy.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:47

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:47

And it's like, I, I would say-

Joanna RobinsonHost12:48

Have you made it yourself at home?

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:49

Never made them.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:50

Had them, certainly.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:51

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:51

And it's like, you know, like a crispy, cartilage-y kind of like appetizer for the most part.

R

Rob MahoneyHost12:55

Or in this case, like throw it on a salad as your crunchy element.

Joanna RobinsonHost12:58

Cartilage-y is, is not like a, a, a big sell for some people.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:02

For some people it's all of the appeal.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:03

What else would you call cartilage-y? Like calamari?

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:07

No, it's like if you like eating chicken off the bone.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:10

Like if you like-

Joanna RobinsonHost13:10

Oh

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:10

... that kind of gnawing sensation that's like, it's a little crunchy, but also a little chewy.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:15

It's kinda splitting the difference.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:16

Oh, like literally eating...

Joanna RobinsonHost13:17

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:17

All right.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:18

I, I'm open to it.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:19

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:20

Um, can I ask-

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:20

Next week, Chase or Savannah Coffee Roasters-

Joanna RobinsonHost13:23

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:23

... we're gonna have some pig ears here on the pod.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:24

I was gonna say, if I said that, like I feel like I'd be responsible for fly- frying pig ears-

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:28

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost13:28

... and I don't wanna do that.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:29

I'm happy to, honestly.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:30

Okay, you'll take, you'll take up the slack.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:32

Um, listen, I have a favor to ask.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:35

When I inevitably, uh, die in a really fun and tragic death somehow-

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:40

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost13:40

...

Joanna RobinsonHost13:40

when you hallucinate me, will you hallucinate me with my bangs as perfectly coifed as dead Melissa's bangs are in Max's hallucination?

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:48

You already know I will.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:49

You and I know the struggle of a bang, and it is not easy to keep every single piece in place, and I was just really impressed with how glossy and straight her bangs were in his vision.

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:58

It giveth and it taketh away-

Joanna RobinsonHost13:59

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost13:59

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:59

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost13:59

the bang.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:00

You know? It, it-

Joanna RobinsonHost14:00

It's really tough

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:01

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:01

it really is, it's a difficult balance to walk.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:04

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:04

But Jo, you do it all the time.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:06

Come on, how, how could I remember you but with a perfect bang?

Joanna RobinsonHost14:08

Um, they're highly imperfect.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:11

Question for you.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:13

Natalie's pepper spray, would you call this a Chekhov's pepper spray moment?

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:18

It's a good question.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:19

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:19

I, I don't think so.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:21

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:21

I wouldn't be surprised if we see the pepper spray again.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:23

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:23

But even if we do, is it gonna be that interesting? It's ...

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:26

She'll use it on Max or Nevaeh or somebody and run away?

Joanna RobinsonHost14:29

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:29

Like-

Joanna RobinsonHost14:29

I don't know

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:30

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:30

the consequences don't seem dire enough.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:32

The, I guess the v- like it was just like the shot of it in her, there was like an iso cam-

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:36

There was

Joanna RobinsonHost14:36

... on the pepper spray in her hand and I was like, "Noted." But yeah, to your point, I guess I would rather someone use the nail gun than use the pepper spray.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:45

You know what I mean?

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:46

What? On you?

Joanna RobinsonHost14:47

Not on me.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:47

Oh.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:47

[laughs] Like, I would rather be pepper sprayed than nail gunned.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:50

We're past the part where I die creatively.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:52

Okay, I s- you, you confused me.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:53

We moved on.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:53

I'm sorry.

Joanna RobinsonHost14:54

We moved on.

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:54

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost14:54

I'm just saying in the show narratively as like a fun ...

Joanna RobinsonHost14:57

If I'm grappling for something-

R

Rob MahoneyHost14:59

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost14:59

...

Joanna RobinsonHost14:59

I would rather someone's grappling for the nail gun that we saw in episode one or whatever.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:03

It just feels more exciting to have a nail gun involved.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:05

Feels right.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:05

Also, I did love how it's like, "Okay, Nat, here's your pepper spray.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:08

Zach, I guess throw your toe at him."

Joanna RobinsonHost15:11

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:11

[laughs] I, I don't know.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:12

You get absolutely nothing.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:13

Zach, if you could just stand creepily with one arm sort of out at an angle, I think that'll be enough to scare off whoever stalked you guys.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:20

It is his signature move.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:21

Um, Zach in this episode-

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:23

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost15:23

... what did you think?

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:24

Uh, just creeping it up nonstop.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:26

Yeah, creep town USA.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:27

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:27

Where, where do we wanna start with him? 'Cause he's saying a lot of stuff.

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:30

He's doing a lot of stuff.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:32

I really like...

Joanna RobinsonHost15:33

So in this, in the scene where Natalie gets her pepper spray-

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:35

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost15:36

... there's a thing they're doing with like when Zach's hair is like parted, like the ...

Joanna RobinsonHost15:41

It's a very sort of like Eddie Haskell, like-

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:44

Mm

Joanna RobinsonHost15:44

... "I'm a good boy and I'm just like giving you-

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:47

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost15:47

...

Joanna RobinsonHost15:47

the smiles and I'm just worried about my dad" and just like-

R

Rob MahoneyHost15:50

It's good to be safe

Joanna RobinsonHost15:51

... yeah, all this sort of stuff.

Joanna RobinsonHost15:53

I thought that was really great, and all of his stuff is super creepy, but like, I thought his like little good boy routine was really good.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:00

It's really terrific.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:01

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:01

Can I float to you now my alternate possession theory?

Joanna RobinsonHost16:04

Please.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:05

So I would say we-

Joanna RobinsonHost16:07

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:07

In this episode we build up-

Joanna RobinsonHost16:09

I can't believe we waited this long, honestly.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:10

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:11

Like it's, it's been tough.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:12

This episode is building up to the big confrontation between the Bodens and Max at Max's house, right? He's, he's making dinner, they sit down.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:18

They're like, "We're gonna bring the fight to him for the first time."

Joanna RobinsonHost16:21

Not pulling a literal girl out of the wall.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:23

Well, I guess-

Joanna RobinsonHost16:24

It's the dinner party

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:24

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:24

I guess it does build up to that too.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:25

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:25

But look, I, again, I got distracted by the pig ears.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:27

Sure, sure.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:28

I would say my main takeaway from Max in that conversation when they finally ask him like, "What is it that you want? Is it money to restart your restaurant? Is it money for surrogacy?" Or we can joke about, you know, egging on Anna, if you will, about the whole surrogacy situation.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:42

But like really what he wants is a chance to put his family back together again.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:46

Mm-hmm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:47

And I would float to you, what if Zach is not possessed by Nevaeh, but is possessed by AI Slop son?

Joanna RobinsonHost16:52

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:52

[laughs] Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost16:53

That this is ghost son in Congress and inhabiting Zach's body.

Joanna RobinsonHost16:59

So it's like a Russian nesting doll, and inside of Zach there is AI Slop Adam.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:04

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:04

Who we saw sort of like spookily walk into his room at the beginning of the season.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:07

Right.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:07

He, he is as familiar with AI Slop.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:08

He was drawing him, right?

Joanna RobinsonHost17:09

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:09

He was appearing to him in dreams.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:11

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:12

Um, okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:13

Follow-up question.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:14

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:14

Um, do you think he's taken on the personality of AI Slop Adam?

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:18

We don't know 'cause he died in a womb.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:20

He was defeated.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:20

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:20

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost17:20

That's what I, that's what I was gonna say.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:21

Like what is, what is AI Slop Adam's like whole thing?

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:25

I don't know.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:25

But, but when you think-

Joanna RobinsonHost17:26

Oh.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:26

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:26

... about all the pieces of evidence and context of this episode, the creepy like, "I'm just worried about my dad"-

Joanna RobinsonHost17:31

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:31

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:31

I mean, he's obviously not talking about Tom in that moment.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:34

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:34

Right?

Joanna RobinsonHost17:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:34

Is he talking about Max in that moment?

Joanna RobinsonHost17:36

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:36

All the creepy like humming into a fan, and then they wake him up and it's like, "Who's Zach? You're not my family." Calling her Anna.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:44

It's like all of, all of these little pieces of anecdotal evidence.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:47

What son.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:48

Interesting.

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:49

I'm just saying.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:50

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:51

Um, hey folks at home, email us.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:55

Where should they email us?

R

Rob MahoneyHost17:57

[laughs] prestigetv@spotify.com for sure.

Joanna RobinsonHost17:59

Or?

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:00

But also thinkofababycarrot@gmail.com. And I have to say, I'm really glad with our decision 'cause the toe keeps toeing.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:06

Oh, it does.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:07

It's been in almost, I think every episode.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:09

You've, you've picked the star of the show-

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:10

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost18:10

... for the email this time.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:11

Thank you.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:11

Thank you.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:11

Um, please email us if you cosign Rob's, 'cause we were all in on Rob's possession theory.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:17

We?

Joanna RobinsonHost18:18

[laughs] One.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:25

[laughs] Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:26

They.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:27

That they were all in on Rob's possession theory.

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:29

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:29

Will they be all in on, uh, AI Slop's possession theory?

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:33

I'm just thinking there's a lot of neon arrows pointed in his direction.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:36

Okay, it's a great question.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:37

A couple new characters this episode.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:39

One of them is, w- we met him before, but I don't think I knew his name.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:43

Henry, which is Patrick Wil- Tom's-

R

Rob MahoneyHost18:45

Right

Joanna RobinsonHost18:45

... lawyer friend with the mustache.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:47

His mustachio lawyer friend, uh, who has this excellent legal advice.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:53

Let him make a mistake.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:56

Don't seem right to me.

Joanna RobinsonHost18:57

I'm not a lawyer, nor have I been in prison and studied legal texts, but let him make a mistake about the dangerous killer who has moved in across the street doesn't seem, uh, doesn't seem like great advice to me.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:09

It's really not good.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:10

I mean, look, what can a lawyer advise you to do other than what is legally allowed in this case-

Joanna RobinsonHost19:15

Right

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:15

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:15

I guess? So I understand maybe where he's coming from.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:18

It's a bad plan, though.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:19

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:19

Mustachio Henry isn't like, "Hey, find a criminal and rough him up," which seems to be Tom's suggestion later on in the episode.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:26

Um, yeah, let him make a mistake.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:29

Tough, really tough.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:30

That, that whole exchange was very funny, though.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:32

I think in particular for when Tom is explaining his circumstances and says, "He pulled this AI shit on me to sexually harass my coworker." I mean, when you put it that way, it doesn't sound very believable.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:43

Um, nor does Anna really believe it.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:45

Nope.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:45

She's like, "What did happen, Tom?" [laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:47

What's on those messages? It's funny, he didn't talk about the rubbing, you know?

Joanna RobinsonHost19:52

[laughs] Rubbing up against me.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:54

All right, again me.

Joanna RobinsonHost19:55

Um, Natalie's drinking while doing college applications.

R

Rob MahoneyHost19:59

Yeah, I owe you an apology about the-

Joanna RobinsonHost20:00

Okay

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:00

... about the drinking problem situation.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:02

Oh, okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:02

We are all on board with that now?

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:04

Well, I think before we saw her take a little swig.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:06

Yeah, sure.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:07

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:07

Here she's, she's-

Joanna RobinsonHost20:07

Now she, working on her night sweats.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:09

I mean, her, she's like three Swell bottles deep into, into vodka at this point.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:14

Things have escalated.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:15

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:16

I love the, like, clink of the bo- Like, after she's vomited on Tom, and then it's like the tell-tale clink of the bottle-

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:22

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost20:22

... of just sort of like, there's nothing like a clink of a bottle to expose a drinking habit.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:26

Um, I do think that Natalie drinking while doing her college applications is, like, a pretty relatable content.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:32

Mm.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:33

I was not a drinker at that time in my life, but I, I, I wish I had had-

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:37

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost20:38

... a flask of vodka while I was doing my college applications.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:40

I think the essays go down more smoothly.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:41

I think-

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:42

If, a little shot here and there

Joanna RobinsonHost20:43

... oh my gosh, my, like, my joie de vivre-

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:45

Oh

Joanna RobinsonHost20:45

... that would've come through in my personal statement.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:48

Just the right amount of like, "I care about this, but not too much."

Joanna RobinsonHost20:50

Yeah, yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:51

[laughs] Let me casually work in all of my community service.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:55

As one does.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:56

Yeah, absolutely.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:57

Uh, Zach creeps into the room.

R

Rob MahoneyHost20:59

Yep.

Joanna RobinsonHost20:59

Do you think he was actually there?

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:01

I, well, this is so kind of revealed to be a sort of dream maybe.

Joanna RobinsonHost21:06

Well, but later she's like, "I dreamt you were there, but now I really think you were." And, like, Nevaeh appears-

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:11

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost21:11

... and we think that's a dream, but now knowing that Nevaeh was in the walls-

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:14

That seems, uh, that seems real

Joanna RobinsonHost21:14

... that could've been her.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:15

I, I think maybe Zach was there and did stick his tongue in her mouth.

Joanna RobinsonHost21:19

His, I thought it was his thumb.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:20

Or sorry, his tongue, his thumb.

Joanna RobinsonHost21:21

Well, god.

Joanna RobinsonHost21:21

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:21

Yeah, sorry.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:22

No, no, no, no. Let's, let's rewind that.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:24

His thumb in her mouth.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:25

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost21:25

Do you think that was Zach, or do you think that was AI Slop Adam who stuck his thumb in her mouth? [laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:28

I think that was AI Slop Adam as Zach, his thumb in her mouth.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:33

The second thumb in her mou- I guess, or is it the third? How many thumbs have been in Nat's mouth this season?

Joanna RobinsonHost21:38

I just think twice.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:38

Just the two?

Joanna RobinsonHost21:38

Not thrice.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:39

That's already, that's too many already.

Joanna RobinsonHost21:40

Yeah, absolutely.

Joanna RobinsonHost21:42

Um, I do love Tom's reaction when she vomits on him, which is just like, "Ugh."

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:46

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:46

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost21:47

Which is like, even if you're a really good dad, you can go like-

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:49

It's the best you could do

Joanna RobinsonHost21:50

... "Ugh," when someone vomits on you.

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:52

But o- on the Nat and Zach front-

Joanna RobinsonHost21:53

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost21:54

... why does every character in this show have the memory of a goldfish? Like, last week she had him in a headlock because he was antagonizing her and, like, maybe doing witchy stuff with her would-be girlfriend.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:06

Right.

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:07

And now she's just like, "Oh, I'm so, oh, I'm so relieved to see you.

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:09

I was so scared it was gonna be somebody else."

Joanna RobinsonHost22:11

Also, like, can I, one of the most annoying parts of this episode, and I liked this episode, but I, I think the moment I was most annoyed by someone, which is weird, 'cause it's not the same as the too dumb to live move-

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:21

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost22:21

... which I think is very clear in this episode.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:23

But, like, when Anna was just like, "Be nice to your brother," to, to Natalie over and over again, I mean, I, she was drugged at the time, but I was just like, "Shut the fuck up, Anna."

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:33

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost22:33

Zach sucks.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:34

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:35

Well, it, it, it continues the theme of they really only care about Zach, and even then, they're not good parents to Zach.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:40

Oh, yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:41

Nat, be nice to your brother who stalks into your room at night and shoves his thumb in your mouth while you're just simply trying to drunkenly do your college applications.

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:49

Ugh.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:49

Really tough.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:50

Max Katie, I have some notes for his behavior in general in life.

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:53

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost22:53

W- where do you wanna start?

Joanna RobinsonHost22:54

No notes on his fits, though.

Joanna RobinsonHost22:56

Uh, he's wearing, like, cream linen slacks with, like, a striped linen shirt and then, like, a cream hat.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:01

Like, this whole-

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:02

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost23:03

... outfit is incre- incroyable, you know? Um, and he gets these photos.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:10

Tell us about the photos he gets.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:12

I mean, where do we wanna start? We got the cross at Cape Fear Lake, I assume is what we're calling it.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:17

River.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:17

Sorry, river.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:17

Cape Fear River.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:18

Uh, a snarling dog.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:20

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:20

Distressing.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:21

Uh, Max and-

Joanna RobinsonHost23:22

Is it, is it Romeo himself?

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:24

No, it's a white dog-

Joanna RobinsonHost23:25

Oh, a white dog

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:25

... that looks like it has been through some fights or some pain-

Joanna RobinsonHost23:28

Uh-huh

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:28

... or some torture of some kind.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:29

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:29

Uh, a photo of Max and Anna, the dog cage itself.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:33

Hm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:33

And also a photo of Max and Wendy Wilson, who you'll remember is the Max Katie super fan who desperately wanted to be an ice cream cone.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:39

How could I- [laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:41

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost23:41

How could I forget Wendy Wilson? Um, and then we get this message in the most disturbing handwriting I've seen in a long time.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:48

"On TV, you play the martyr.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:50

What if I tell the world what you did to me?" Signed C.

R

Rob MahoneyHost23:53

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost23:54

So, and, and amongst these photos, we also get a rerun of some of the flashbacks we've gotten before.

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:00

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:00

Uh, much emphasis on this dark-haired girl who seems to be part of his childhood growing up.

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:07

Yep.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:07

So where are you on the Juliet Lewis-

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:10

It's gotta be

Joanna RobinsonHost24:11

... is his stepsister who was there when he was abused growing up.

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:16

Yes.

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:16

May- I mean, maybe adopted, maybe stepsister.

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:19

Who knows the relations exactly, and here signs off her note as just C.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:23

C.

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:23

The letter C.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:24

So we will be changing her card on the board to at least C under Juliet Lewis.

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:29

That feels like a safe assumption for us.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:30

us.Then he calls someone and talks to them on the phone.

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:33

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:33

An old man, and is like, she, uh, you know, "What happened? She was i- institutionalized.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:39

I'm gonna come down there if you don't take care of this.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:41

What's going on?" What's your read on all of this?

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:44

Gotta be his dad.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:45

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:46

Is there any other plausible explanation?

Joanna RobinsonHost24:48

That's, I mean, th- that's what I would think.

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:50

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:50

Preacher dad.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:50

Uh, preacher dad.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:51

Shitty preacher dad.

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:52

Certainly.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:53

Abusive sh- preacher dad.

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:54

Doesn't even seem like a good preacher.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:56

Whose voice is that?

R

Rob MahoneyHost24:57

Oh, I don't know.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:58

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost24:59

I have two theories.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:00

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:01

And I listened a couple times.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:02

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:03

Either that's Robert De Niro [laughs] which I don't, I don't know.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:06

That would be-

Joanna RobinsonHost25:06

I don't think it is

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:06

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:06

it would be great.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:07

Or we have yet to see Ron Perlman, who is in the cast.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:10

It didn't sound like Ron Perlman to me, though.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:12

Maybe he de-gruffed.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:13

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:13

You know?

Joanna RobinsonHost25:14

Maybe he's, like, un-Hellboyed his mouth and his, his, his voice.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:15

Maybe it's like, there's that episode of The Nanny where Fran, like-

Joanna RobinsonHost25:18

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:18

... drinks hot coffee or something and then all of a sudden [laughs] loses her accent completely.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:22

Maybe it's like that.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:23

Your pop culture references are-

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:25

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost25:25

... on point [laughs] today.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:27

Thank you.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:27

They're, like, very 1993-

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:29

Ah

Joanna RobinsonHost25:29

...

Joanna RobinsonHost25:29

but they're on point, so there you go.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:30

I can only be who I am.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:31

[laughs] You can only be yourself.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:32

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:33

So Ron Perlman having drunk the Magical Nanny tea-

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:37

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost25:37

... now sounds like this.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:39

Could be.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:39

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:40

Do you buy Ron Perlman as Javier Bardem's father?

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:45

Gotta think about the age discrepancy.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:46

I guess it would kinda check out.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:47

Hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:48

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:49

Um-

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:50

Also, just in terms of character actors you would love to see in this kind of role, Ron Perlman would be near the top of the list for me.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:56

You just, like, haven't seen him yet.

R

Rob MahoneyHost25:57

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:57

And we're on episode six.

Joanna RobinsonHost25:59

If Ron Perlman is playing, uh, Ron Perlman of Sons of Anarchy and Hellboy fame-

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:05

Mm

Joanna RobinsonHost26:05

... et cetera, et cetera, um-

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:06

Alien Resurrection.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:07

Alien Resurrection.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:09

[laughs] Um, if Ron Perlman is playing, uh, Javier Bardem's father and Ted Levine is playing Amy Adams, like, we're ha- we have, like, two gruff legends-

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:19

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost26:19

...

Joanna RobinsonHost26:19

in these father roles.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:20

That's fun.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:21

We salute our gruff kings.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:22

Yeah, we do.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:23

[laughs] Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:23

Great.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:24

Would you, would you say Ron Perlman is, like, of that horror universe? I mean, Hellboy is-

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:29

Oh, yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost26:29

...

Joanna RobinsonHost26:29

I guess, in the horror space.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:30

For sure.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:31

And probably he's been in other horror movies that I'm not aware of, but-

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:34

I think he definitely is

Joanna RobinsonHost26:34

... yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:35

On, on Hellboy grounds alone.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:36

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:36

All right, great.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:37

I love Hellboy.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:38

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:38

Um, yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:41

Uh, you know, it seems to me pretty clear, especially also if we're back on the green theory, the girl in the fl- the brown-haired girl in the flashback was wearing exclusively shades of green.

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:50

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:51

Uh, which is once again Juliette Lewis's signature color in this show.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:55

Um, so that's disturbing and interesting.

Joanna RobinsonHost26:58

Are you disturbed and interested? [laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost26:59

Well, I'm looking up Ron Perlman's IMDb right now-

Joanna RobinsonHost27:01

Okay

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:01

... to d- to fact-check and double-check our horror references.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:04

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:04

And I'm realizing I've actually never seen his appearance in the TV version of Beauty and the Beast-

Joanna RobinsonHost27:08

Oh

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:08

... and maybe I need to.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:09

Oh my God, where he plays the titular beast.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:11

That's what I'm saying.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:11

That's where I first met him.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:12

I mean, that's a horror story of a kind.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:14

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:14

A monster kidnapping.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:15

It's Linda Hamilton-

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:16

Wow

Joanna RobinsonHost27:17

... as, as the Beauty.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:18

Just a couple of legends.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:18

I believe she plays a journalist.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:20

He, like, lives in the sewer of, like, modern-day New York-

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:22

Hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost27:23

...

Joanna RobinsonHost27:23

I believe, and she plays a journalist, very, like, April in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles-coded-

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:27

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost27:27

...

Joanna RobinsonHost27:28

I believe.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:28

And then she, like, goes and, and she's like, "Who is this man?" And, and then he, like, looks like Ron Perlman but hot and catlike at the same time.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:37

Sounds good to me.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:37

Yeah, so.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:37

Also, when are we doing our full rewatch on that?

Joanna RobinsonHost27:39

[laughs] I believe I ...

Joanna RobinsonHost27:41

Uh, that has to be only one season.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:42

It's like, oh, we could do The Sopranos or-

Joanna RobinsonHost27:44

Or

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:45

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:45

Beauty and the Beast is right there.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:46

I was like, "Should we do The Sopranos this fall?" And you're like, "Should we do Beauty and the Beast this fall?"

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:49

Counter.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:50

Something to think about.

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:51

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost27:51

Equally, uh, you know, legendary in, in-

R

Rob MahoneyHost27:54

Influential, yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost27:55

...

Joanna RobinsonHost27:55

in TV canyon.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:56

I, I agree.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:56

I said canyon instead of canon.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:57

All right.

Joanna RobinsonHost27:58

The toe is by Anna's sink.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:00

That's not where it will stay.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:01

Eventually it will make its way into a sacrificial fire burnt offering situation.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:07

Y- you're Tom and Anna, you got the toe.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:09

You're just keeping it sink-side, right by the toothbrushes? Where are you putting it?

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:12

Anywhere else.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:13

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:14

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:14

[laughs] In a drawer.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:15

I don't know.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:16

Out of plain view.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:17

For one-

Joanna RobinsonHost28:18

In the trash

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:18

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:18

I don't wanna be-

Joanna RobinsonHost28:18

In the recycling bin.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:19

Why would you wanna be, like, brushing your teeth looking at the toe?

Joanna RobinsonHost28:22

Why are we keeping the toe? I understand why Zach's keeping the toe, 'cause he's possessed by an AI slop atom or something like that, you know?

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:29

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:29

But, like, or a possum or something like that.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:31

But, like-

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:31

Well, if you are Anna-

Joanna RobinsonHost28:31

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:32

... and you found it in Neveah's possum bone-

Joanna RobinsonHost28:35

Maggot tomb

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:36

... altar maggot tomb-

Joanna RobinsonHost28:36

Call it what it, call it what it is, maggot tomb

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:37

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:37

if you find it in the maggot tomb-

Joanna RobinsonHost28:39

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:39

... yeah, I think you keep it for evidentiary reasons, right?

Joanna RobinsonHost28:42

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost28:43

Well, she didn't, like, put it in a baggie and, like, you know-

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:46

Well, she's-

Joanna RobinsonHost28:46

... not smudge her fingerprints all over it

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:48

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:48

I mean, she's not good at any of her jobs.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:49

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost28:50

[laughs] No follow-up on the Faith murder-

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:53

Nope

Joanna RobinsonHost28:53

... crime scene-

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:54

Nope

Joanna RobinsonHost28:54

...

Joanna RobinsonHost28:54

this episode.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:55

I guess the cops haven't found her yet.

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:56

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost28:57

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost28:57

Again, no- nobody remembers ever what happened last week.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:01

The AC's not working, and Zach does not have a new therapist.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:04

Which of this feels more calamitous to you? [laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:06

Apparently the AC.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:07

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:08

[laughs] Really tough.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:09

I lo- like, I'm glad that they have oscillating fans going-

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:12

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost29:12

...

Joanna RobinsonHost29:12

but, like, it is... where's the sense of urgency? It's Savannah in the summer.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:17

It, and it's, it's August, right?

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:18

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:18

'Cause they're talking about school starting soon.

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:19

This is real.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:20

Dog days of summer, the AC isn't working.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:23

I feel like, Tom, let's get on...

Joanna RobinsonHost29:25

Tom's really not good at the to-do list when it comes to fixing the tech in the house, I guess.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:29

So.

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:29

He seems a little overwhelmed.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:31

Do you think the AC is simply not working because there's a literal, uh, woman living in the walls, or is it something else?

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:37

Or the possum.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:38

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:38

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:38

One of the two shook the connections loose.

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:40

I'm not sure which, or maybe it was both.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:42

Or do you think the AC was, like, uh, intentionally scuppered so that they would all want iced tea so that Zach could put LSD in the iced tea?

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:51

I actually do think this is the case.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:52

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:53

I think it was sabotaged.

Joanna RobinsonHost29:54

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost29:54

I mean, why [laughs] else would you get a gratuitous shot of literally every member of the family drinking a tall glass of iced tea at exactly the same time?

Joanna RobinsonHost30:01

[laughs] Well, it's tea o'clock.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:02

I don't know what the Savannah customs are.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:04

Maybe everyone has iced tea in the afternoon, sweet tea in the afternoon.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:07

Sounds like something that could happen.

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:08

Uh, I mean, my experience living in even the Texas version of the South-

Joanna RobinsonHost30:11

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:11

... is that people are just drinking sweet tea all the time.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:14

I can't do sweet tea at all.

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:15

It's a lot.

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:15

I mean, it's like, and I'm talking full Kool-Aid levels of sugar.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:18

Yeah, I c- I can't do it

R

Rob MahoneyHost30:20

... like, really, really rev you up.

Joanna RobinsonHost30:21

I support their culture, but I can't do it.

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Recap Part 2 – Car Ride & Acid Setup32:04 – 41:27

Joanna RobinsonHost32:04

Natalie, Natalie goes to get more booze.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:06

Hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:07

And Max finds her.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:08

The, the podcaster who's essentially the paparazzi finds her.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:11

This guy, this podcaster.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:13

Uh, you know, and Max gives him a talking to.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:15

It gives him, like, a kind of gentle, comical little kick in the butt.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:18

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:19

Like, a nice little gentle kick in the rear.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:21

I wrote it as a, "Go on, get."

Joanna RobinsonHost32:22

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:23

[laughs] Go, go ...

Joanna RobinsonHost32:24

Very Texas of you.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:25

"Go on, get." Um, I have a potential, uh, choice for a line read of the episode.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:31

Please.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:32

"That's not water."

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:34

That, that was-

Joanna RobinsonHost32:34

"That's not water." [laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:35

That was mine.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:36

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:37

I think the only options are, "That's not water."

Joanna RobinsonHost32:39

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:40

Or whatever, like, bl, bl, bl, bl, bl thing he does when he's pretending not to be a villain.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:45

Also, when Tom says, "You took peanut butter?" [laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:49

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost32:49

I just think Patrick Wilson delivered that really well.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:51

Actually, these are all great nominees.

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:53

I do have a definitive pick that is none of the above-

Joanna RobinsonHost32:55

Oh

R

Rob MahoneyHost32:55

... and I'm gonna save it until we get a little later in the episode.

Joanna RobinsonHost32:57

Is it, "Honey, honey, honey"?

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:00

It's not, but that is also great.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:02

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:02

Well, I guess here's the question.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:03

With this category, is it strictly the line read, or is it also the stupidity of the character involved sometimes?

Joanna RobinsonHost33:09

Oh.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:09

And just the ridiculous thing that they say.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:12

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:13

Uh, I'd always thought of it as delivery.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:16

Um, but I'm open to other options.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:18

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:18

And I also just don't wanna pick Javier Bardem every single week.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:20

It's true.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:20

And he, like, sings half of his lines, and so it's hard not to pick him, but ...

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:24

He is vibrating at a frequency in this episode that I don't think many people in our plane of existence can access.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:29

I genuinely thought that dinner scene was, like, fantastic.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:32

Wonderful.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:33

Really good.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:34

Also, whoever made the decision to give him the red heart sunglasses, amazing.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:38

Immaculate.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:38

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:38

And he, he has, like, the De Niro style, like, almost aviators for part of this episode.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:43

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:43

Mm-hmm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:43

But I think any time we get the red heart glasses just kicks it up another level.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:47

And then the whole thing went red, and it was quite scary.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:49

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:50

Zach is the first, uh, Bowden we see is sipping tea.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:55

With a creepy smile.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:56

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:56

I didn't write this down.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:57

Natalie gets in the car with Max.

R

Rob MahoneyHost33:59

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost33:59

Drives her back.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:00

He sobers her up.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:01

He buys her coffee.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:03

This is my too dumb to live.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:04

Really?

Joanna RobinsonHost34:05

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:06

Natalie getting in ...

Joanna RobinsonHost34:07

Knowing that he moved across the s- ...

Joanna RobinsonHost34:09

You know, and she, like, mentions it.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:10

She's like, "Stalker.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:11

He moved across the street." But, like, everything she's heard about Max, Katie.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:14

I understand that we've set up from the beginning that she's, like, doubting what Anna and Tom did and stuff like that, but I just feel like there's just so much evidence at this point that, like, she's so dumb for getting in the car with him.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:29

I'm not gonna pretend it's a smart decision.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:31

I think I have a lot of latitude for teenage characters in shows making dumb decisions.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:36

And part, like-

Joanna RobinsonHost34:36

And she is, she is drunk

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:37

... she is, she is a drunk teenager.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:39

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:39

I would not say, like, well-considered thought is really in her wheelhouse right now.

Joanna RobinsonHost34:43

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:43

But also, like, she's inclined because of her age and her circumstances, and frankly the fact that her parents are lying about everything through their teeth all the time-

Joanna RobinsonHost34:50

That's true

R

Rob MahoneyHost34:50

... to think, "Oh, you're blowing this out of proportion." Like, this is a guy who, yes, is a little weird and a little off-beat, but is he really so bad as he seems? I think that would be a pretty normal teenage response.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:01

I'm, I'm not getting in that car, Rob.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:03

Well, nor am I.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:04

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost35:04

[laughs] I know, it sounds like you might get in that car.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:06

I'm not getting in the car, but also we should just note, I think really the value of having her in the car is showing that beyond just being willing to get in in the first place and have this conversation even after all the warnings, like, Natalie's clearly charmed by him in a way.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:21

In a different way than-

Joanna RobinsonHost35:22

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:22

... than the other movies.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:23

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:23

But, like, there is a, there is a connection and, like, a warmth.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:27

A fascination.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:27

A fascination, for sure.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:29

I also thought that the shot was really good of, like, them with, uh, in the rai- sitting in the rain, uh, as one does at the end of August, I guess, in Savannah.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:37

Um, like, you could just see the green through the, like, sunroof and the windshield.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:42

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:42

And, like, the camera sort of tilted up.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:44

I thought that was, like, a really cool framing of it.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:46

Hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:46

Back to Zach sipping the tea.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:48

He's got a lava lamp and a jellyfish lamp in his room.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:51

That's too many, that's too many lamps.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:53

I had a lava lamp a- as a high schooler.

R

Rob MahoneyHost35:55

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:56

And I feel like it's a great thing for a high schooler to have.

Joanna RobinsonHost35:58

If I'm Anna and Tom, we're c- we're cutting it at one novelty lamp.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:01

That's fair.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:02

Jellyfish lamp.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:03

You can't get rid of those things, too.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:04

No. [laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:06

Like, they're with you for life, you know?

Joanna RobinsonHost36:08

I actually don't know what happened to my, my, my-

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:09

Well, the chemicals therein.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:10

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:11

I mean, you have to take it to, like, a waste disposal site.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:13

The absolute, like, scales falling from your eyes moment-

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:16

Hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost36:17

...

Joanna RobinsonHost36:17

when, when first you take the cap off of a lava lamp, and it's just like a-

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:21

It's just a bottle cap

Joanna RobinsonHost36:22

... bottle cap.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:22

And you're just like, "Oh."

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:24

The magic in the universe is gone.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:25

Yeah, absolutely.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:26

Oh, it's just some goo that you heated up? I see.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:28

And it's just, like, a light bulb at the bottom of it, and you're just like, "Wow." Where's the magic in this life?

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:33

It's so sad.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:34

Did you have a lava lamp?

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:35

No, but I had the same moment-

Joanna RobinsonHost36:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:36

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:36

when I, a friend's revealed themselves-

Joanna RobinsonHost36:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:38

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:38

in the same way.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:38

I was like, "Really?"

Joanna RobinsonHost36:40

It's tough.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:40

It's tough to see.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:40

"This is it?"

Joanna RobinsonHost36:41

It's tough to see.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:42

Anna's taking her anger management class.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:44

We didn't get a lot of lead up to this, but I don't feel like we need to.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:46

Like, Anna's been sent home from work.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:48

She has to take anger management classes.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:50

Yeah, mandated training.

Joanna RobinsonHost36:51

Right.

R

Rob MahoneyHost36:52

And also yet another, like, we're not so different you and I with her, and you know, we get this runner with Max in this episode in the flashbacks of, like, what do you do with this rage, right?

Joanna RobinsonHost37:00

Mm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:01

Clearly Anna has some-

Joanna RobinsonHost37:02

And is like-

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:02

... of the same problems

Joanna RobinsonHost37:02

... kill Nazis.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:03

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:04

And I'm like, well, well-

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:04

Well, I think that's a pretty healthy use

Joanna RobinsonHost37:05

... pretty good.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:06

Pretty good.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:07

Um, macro-dosing.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:10

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:12

[laughs] The macro-dosing is unreal.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:19

Macro-dosing LSD, how do you feel about it?

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:21

First of all, we get a micro-dosing line repeat.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:23

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:23

Although this time from Patrick Wilson.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:25

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:25

Very much appreciated.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:26

The G is definitely dropped when he says it.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:28

Oh.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:28

I mean, this whole sequence was spectacular.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:32

Uh, I would like to take us through a tour very quickly though of, like, whose acid trip acting did you appreciate the most?

Joanna RobinsonHost37:38

Oh, okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:39

Like, who, who did you think were the real standouts here? I mean, I would say this might be my favorite bit of acting from Amy Adams all season.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:45

Hard agree.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:46

The, like-

Joanna RobinsonHost37:46

Really agree.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:47

Having not spent a lot of time around people tripping on acid-

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:49

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost37:49

...

Joanna RobinsonHost37:49

nor having tripped on acid myself, I might be very wrong-

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:53

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost37:53

...

Joanna RobinsonHost37:53

but this is accurate.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:55

Oh, I have-

Joanna RobinsonHost37:55

I, I'm, I'm-

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:55

I have no interest in authenticity

Joanna RobinsonHost37:57

...

Joanna RobinsonHost37:57

I do not.

Joanna RobinsonHost37:57

But it was entertaining.

R

Rob MahoneyHost37:59

I, I want whatever brew of, like, kind of sinister, kind of checked out-

Joanna RobinsonHost38:05

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:06

... kind of, like, floating-

Joanna RobinsonHost38:07

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:07

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:07

in a different galaxy that Amy Adams is bringing in this sequence.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:10

I also wrote this is the best she's been-

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:11

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost38:11

... on the entire show, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:12

And I mean, Lily Colinas has to be, during this episode, both drunk acting, I think to, like, varying effect at various points.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:18

Sure.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:18

It's a little spotty.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:19

And then here, like, tripping acting.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:21

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:22

I, I, I don't know that she was necessarily a standout, but I did love Patrick Wilson just smelling a kitchen towel.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:27

Patrick Wilson, uh, also the fact that Tom when he's, uh, macro-dosing is like, "Should I show the world my guns? Should I roll up my sleeves on my already short-

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:38

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost38:38

... sleeved shirt so that you can see my muscles? I would like to."

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:40

Well, he tried, but he got out-swolled.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:42

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:42

Javier Bardem is jacked.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:44

Oh, oh, oh.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:45

When, when he's lifting up peanut butter-

Joanna RobinsonHost38:47

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:48

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:48

I mean.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:48

Because the outdoor fit is cream.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:50

The indoor fit is black.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:51

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:52

Villain on the inside playing saint.

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:53

Good and evil, just like Savannah Coffee Roasters.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:55

Playing martyr on the outs.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:56

Martyr in the streets-

R

Rob MahoneyHost38:57

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost38:58

... villain in the sheets.

Joanna RobinsonHost38:59

Um, but yeah, he's got the, the black tank top on-

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:02

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost39:02

... and the guns are out ablaze him.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:03

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:04

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:04

And, and Tom came over with, like, skin tight polo shirt.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:07

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:07

And he's like-

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:08

And it just wasn't enough

Joanna RobinsonHost39:08

... and he's like, "Oh, no."

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:09

It was, it was a knife to a gunfight.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:11

[laughs] Tom, really Tom.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:13

Um, all right.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:14

So the drug trip happens.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:15

Did you notice the aspect ratio shift?

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:17

I, I mean, I love an aspect ratio shift.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:18

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:18

I missed it.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:19

Kai's the one who's like, "Hey, I miss the aspect ratio."

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:21

What?

Joanna RobinsonHost39:21

I know, and I usually, I feel like I'm usually on top of it, but I missed it.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:25

Um, do you wanna explain to the audience?

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:28

I mean, there's not, there's not a lot to walk through.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:30

[laughs] In the same way that your pupils might dilate, the aspect ratio of the show shifts as they start noticing that, hey, the walls are moving.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:36

It, it's when Anna, like, starts to see the wallpaper moving, and in my defense I feel like I was distracted by the wallpaper coming to life and me being like, "Oh, they've been macro-dosed." [laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:45

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost39:46

But the aspect ratio shifts up, uh, as every single other person in the world notices except for me, and stays that way through the trip.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:55

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:55

Like, the, the letterbox bars goes away.

R

Rob MahoneyHost39:58

From "Slut got your tongue?"

Joanna RobinsonHost39:59

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost39:59

[laughs] "Slut got your tongue?" Maybe that's the line reading of the episode.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:02

That was quite good.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:03

"Slut got your tongue?"

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:04

It was quite good.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:05

Really good.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:06

Um, is that the moment when you realized something was wrong, when she said, "Slut got your tongue?"

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:11

Well, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:12

I mean, it's-

Joanna RobinsonHost40:12

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:12

... it's clearly an escalation.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:14

You know, Anna's been so, like, hemmed in-

Joanna RobinsonHost40:18

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:18

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:18

but, like, intentionally all season.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:20

Like, this is, this is someone who clearly, maybe by her own admission during her trip about, like, how her whole life has been an overcorrection, like-

Joanna RobinsonHost40:26

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:26

... feels so bottled.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:27

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:28

It doesn't seem like she would necessarily pop out the, "Slut got your tongue," but-

Joanna RobinsonHost40:31

Here we are

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:31

... you know?

Joanna RobinsonHost40:32

Here we are.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:32

An aggrieved Amy Adams.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:34

It's possible that Dr. Anita, uh, at the anger management course, has witnessed a lot of these drug shenanigans.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:41

They're talking about taking the kids right in front of the web camera.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:43

I wanna shout out Patrick Wilson's, like, approach to the laptop, smile-

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:47

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost40:47

... wave, close the laptop moment.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:49

I thought it was quite good.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:50

Do you think they were on mute?

Joanna RobinsonHost40:52

Yeah, I do.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:53

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:53

So just, just video only.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:54

'Cause Dr. Anita seemed pretty chill.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:55

She's like, "I'm just checking to make sure everything's okay."

R

Rob MahoneyHost40:58

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost40:58

Not, like, currently dialing 911-

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:00

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost41:01

... uh, sort of situation.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:02

Um, and then it's Natalie with the shotgun versus the drone.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:06

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:06

Who won?

Joanna RobinsonHost41:07

This time it's personal.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:08

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost41:08

How'd that feel?

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:10

It was really great.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:11

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:11

Uh, for some reason I laughed a lot when Natalie said, "Fuck, I hate drones."

Joanna RobinsonHost41:16

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:17

Every line read during the trip sequence I think we could single out here.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:20

The, "It's from my supply.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:22

Your acid supply.

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:23

Uh, it's for micro-dosing."

Joanna RobinsonHost41:25

[laughs] "It's for micro-dosing."

Recap Part 3 – LSD Dinner Trip41:28 – 50:57

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Rob MahoneyHost41:28

"Don't have any disturbing thoughts." That, to me, had real, like, don't think of elephants energy.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:32

When she says, "I'm 17 years sober," in this, like, devastating, heartbreaking moment-

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:38

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost41:39

... yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:39

What-

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:39

And she's terrified, like, that someone's gonna take the kids away.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:41

Yeah, but like, "What have you done to me?"

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:43

Oh.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:43

Like, because of your...

Joanna RobinsonHost41:44

I mean, it was Zach who did it-

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:45

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost41:45

... to a certain degree.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:46

But it, but by having that in the house-

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:48

Right

Joanna RobinsonHost41:49

...

Joanna RobinsonHost41:49

Tom opened her up to this.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:50

And this is what she said to him earlier-

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:52

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost41:52

...

Joanna RobinsonHost41:52

when he's like, "Max did this to me," and she's like, "You did this by giving him ammunition."

R

Rob MahoneyHost41:56

Right.

Joanna RobinsonHost41:57

Now, I would argue that taking Max to that snake house-

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:01

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost42:01

Not to mention letting him lay w- not letting him, but, like, he smooched her in the park and stuff like that.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:07

She's given Max Katie plenty of ammunition to work with, so you know.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:11

Don't take Max Katie to a snake house.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:14

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:14

A second location-

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:15

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost42:15

... or a snake house, uh, that, or get in his car.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:18

Um-

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:18

Well, can, can we just walk through, I guess, like, the fallout-

Joanna RobinsonHost42:21

Oh, please

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:21

... overall of the acid trip?

Joanna RobinsonHost42:23

I would love to.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:23

Uh, this is a classic everyone's on drugs, people start revealing things-

Joanna RobinsonHost42:26

Oh, yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:26

... kind of sequence to each other.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:27

So for one, just the idea-

Joanna RobinsonHost42:29

The stairs are too large for Natalie.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:31

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:31

First reveal, the stairs are too large.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:32

That's, that's a problem.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:33

We gotta downsize these stairs immediately.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:36

Uh, the whole Tom has been microdosing this whole season reveal-

Joanna RobinsonHost42:41

Microdosing

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:41

... to Anna, clearly important.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:43

She was not aware of this information.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:44

Do you think she would've felt better if he was like, "Lexi gave them to me?" [laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:48

I don't think under the circumstances that would've helped.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:50

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:51

Uh, we now have potentially new drone footage that could've been uploaded to the cloud.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:56

Oh.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:57

Right? Before the shotgun shot.

Joanna RobinsonHost42:58

You gotta be worried about the cloud always.

R

Rob MahoneyHost42:59

Always.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:00

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:00

And I would say too, we get a flicker on the newly installed security solutions at the Bowden house-

Joanna RobinsonHost43:06

Oh my God

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:06

... that Natalie has now shot with a shotgun.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:08

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:08

And so I'm wondering, is it even functional anymore? Who knows.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:11

Great question.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:12

Um, Nat revealing that she heard Anna say earlier this season-

Joanna RobinsonHost43:16

Mm-hmm

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:16

... "What if he knows what we did?"

Joanna RobinsonHost43:18

Correct.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:18

Regarding Max Katie.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:20

Uh, Zach obviously is just gonna like eventually just walk out of the house as a result.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:24

I guess that's more of the, the fight after effects.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:26

That's just long-term effects of being possessed by AI slop Adam, I think.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:30

He's going to be with his dad.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:31

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:32

Is there anything else from this sequence that is worth flagging as far as like lingering in the air after all these people have been tripping out of their minds?

Joanna RobinsonHost43:40

I don't think so.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:41

Um, I think we really got there.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:43

Um, which takes...

Joanna RobinsonHost43:45

So Tom's like, "Let's hire someone to rough him up."

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:48

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:49

And I do think Anna being like, "All the criminals I know are innocent," was really funny and really good.

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:53

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:54

And then the Bowdens in their matching blue head over to Max's house-

R

Rob MahoneyHost43:57

They do

Joanna RobinsonHost43:57

... uh, across the street.

Joanna RobinsonHost43:58

Does this feel like a good plan to you?

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:00

So plan A is, uh, w- what do you wanna be in five years? [laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost44:05

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:05

Plan B is-

Joanna RobinsonHost44:06

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:07

... let's see if we can buy you off.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:08

Will you accept a large sack of money?

Joanna RobinsonHost44:09

Right.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:10

Plan C, threats.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:12

Is, is that the extent of what they got to work with here?

Joanna RobinsonHost44:14

I really think they thought money would do it.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:16

Did not work.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:16

It did not work.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:17

Didn't go for it.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:18

The pig ears.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:20

Oh, also something I noted, I don't know if this is anything, but when they're walking up, right by the shrubbery at the front of the building, there's like, uh, a shovel and a wheelbarrow-

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:31

Oh, I didn't see those

Joanna RobinsonHost44:32

... and some, like, disturbed dirt.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:33

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:33

So like, I don't know if he's like-

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:35

What, a guy can't garden?

Joanna RobinsonHost44:36

If he's performing I'm just a good neighbor to the neighbors, being like, "I'm out here in my hedges making like, you know-

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:43

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost44:43

... green things grow," or if he's actively burying something.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:46

I don't know.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:47

Well, he has been sowing discord in the Bowden house.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:49

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:49

And I would say now pro- propagating, fertilizing.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:53

Oh, it's a metaphor.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:54

I don't know.

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:54

My plants are all dying.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:55

Oh.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:56

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:56

I, [laughs] I'm not the source on this.

Joanna RobinsonHost44:57

Are they?

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:57

Well, like-

Joanna RobinsonHost44:58

How's your basil?

R

Rob MahoneyHost44:59

Oh, look, the basil you can't kill.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:00

You know? The prayer plant, that one's thriving.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:03

Some of the others, they're not long for this world, I'm sorry to say.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:06

Oh, no.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:06

Do you want some gardening tips from our listeners?

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:07

I don't know that they'll help.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:08

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:08

I've read all the gardening tips.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:10

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:10

I gotta say, of all of the hobbies-

Joanna RobinsonHost45:11

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:11

... gardening information on the internet, conflicts a-plenty.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:14

Well, it's really funny you say you can't kill basil, and I'm actually like, I feel like my basil's really thriving.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:19

But like, I've heard some people are like, "I can't keep basil alive."

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:21

Really?

Joanna RobinsonHost45:21

And I'm like, but basil just tells you when it's upset.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:24

It just like wilts right away, and then you just give it water, and then it's fine.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:26

Also, it just strangles any plant that's nearby.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:29

That's mint.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:29

That's really mint's job.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:30

Well, mint also too.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:31

It's true.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:31

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:31

This has been gardening corner with Rob and Joe.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:33

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:33

Well, while we're talking about acts of betrayal-

Joanna RobinsonHost45:35

We are

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:35

... do you take Peanut Butter's presence here to be any kind of betrayal? Uh, to Peanut Butter.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:40

You can't force a cat.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:41

Is that true?

Joanna RobinsonHost45:42

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:42

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:43

I've never, I never had a cat.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:44

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:45

Is that true? You can't-

Joanna RobinsonHost45:45

You know that.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:46

But what, they couldn't pick-

Joanna RobinsonHost45:47

You know that

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:47

... you couldn't pick up Peanut Butter and take him home?

Joanna RobinsonHost45:50

I feel like it depends how many pig ears Peanut Butter has been fed at this point.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:53

Hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:53

But like, you know, we saw it start, I don't know, it has to be a couple weeks ago at this point.

R

Rob MahoneyHost45:56

Well, turkey's the gateway drug.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:58

Yeah, absolutely.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:58

[laughs] Every time.

Joanna RobinsonHost45:59

Turkey to pig's ear every time.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:00

But like, how long has he been feeding Peanut Butter little snacks?

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:04

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:04

Loved Max's performance here.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:06

"Oh, this is your cat? How weird.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:08

Came to my door.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:08

It was starving." You know what I mean?

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:10

He must not have been feeding it.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:11

"Oh my God.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:12

He was starving.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:12

Look at him." Peanut Butter, really?

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:15

[laughs] The face that Javier Bardem gives.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:17

Holding out the cat, just being, "Peanut Butter, really?"

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:20

It's my knee now.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:22

Genuine high comedy.

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:23

Really, really good.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:24

Like, really good.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:24

But you can't force a cat.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:25

If it were me, I would take the cat home, but I would know that I would get scratched and bit by my cat doing that.

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:31

Wow.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:31

Uh, it depends how long I've been neglecting my cat.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:33

And given that we've seen Tom and Anna just like not pay attention to their children, I can't imagine.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:37

It was only Natalie who was really, like, taking care of Peanut Butter-

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:40

It's true

Joanna RobinsonHost46:40

... and now he's been drunk for like a week, so.

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:41

Also a fair point.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:42

You know? I, I don't, I think cats can be seduced by food-

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:46

Hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost46:46

... quite easily, and, uh, I love cats, but they're not dogs, and you can't-

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:52

Well, let's be real.

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:52

Dogs can be seduced too.

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:54

If you gave my dog-

Joanna RobinsonHost46:55

But aren't-

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:55

... enough treats, she would eat my face.

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:57

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost46:57

[laughs] That's not true.

Joanna RobinsonHost46:58

Dogs are loyal.

R

Rob MahoneyHost46:59

They're loyal, but they're also loyal to the food.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:01

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:01

You know?

Joanna RobinsonHost47:02

They are.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:02

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:02

Have you, have you ever tried to force your cat to do something that it, it didn't take-

Joanna RobinsonHost47:05

Yeah, take it to the vet.

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:07

Oh, just you're trying to take the cat to the vet and it won't go?

Joanna RobinsonHost47:09

Are you kidding me?

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:10

I mean, my dog just walks to the vet, so it's not a problem.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:13

Are you ki- [laughs] Are you kidding me, Rob?

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:13

I don't know.

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:14

You could have a dog.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:14

That's real Max Katie.

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:15

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost47:15

"I was just taking my dog to the vet down the street." No, you try to put a cat in the carrier to go to the vet.

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:19

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:19

The cat knows exactly what's happening.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:21

The cat will, like, hide in recesses you never knew existed in your house.

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:26

Wow.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:26

You have to, like, tear apart the whole house.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:27

I've been like, I've gone into the vet just like completely scratched.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:30

Also, at the vet, my cat is, like, a problem.

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:34

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost47:34

They have to put on, like, thick rubber-

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:36

Your cat's on a list? [laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost47:38

[laughs] Thick rubber gloves-

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:39

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost47:39

... to handle my cat, and they're like, "We suggest drugging her next time." So I have to drug my cat to take her to the vet.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:45

So yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:45

If you are a vet or a vet tech-

Joanna RobinsonHost47:47

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:47

... who has access to Joe's cat's records-

Joanna RobinsonHost47:50

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:50

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:50

I would love to see what's on the chart.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:52

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:52

I would love to see the notes on there.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:53

I am sure they've written, "Fuck this cat."

R

Rob MahoneyHost47:54

PrestigeTV@HBO.com.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:56

[laughs] Oh my gosh.

Joanna RobinsonHost47:56

Where they're like, "Fuck this cat." [laughs] Gabapentin is the answer-

R

Rob MahoneyHost48:01

Hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost48:01

... uh, for getting the cat to the vet.

Joanna RobinsonHost48:03

Anyway, this has been pet owner and gardening corner with Rob and Joe.

Joanna RobinsonHost48:07

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost48:07

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost48:07

I, I f- I feel like this is a true cat behavior.

Joanna RobinsonHost48:11

You can't force a cat.

Joanna RobinsonHost48:12

Um, absolutely.

Joanna RobinsonHost48:14

What did you make of this story of Lila?

R

Rob MahoneyHost48:16

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost48:17

What, like, is this a real thing that happened? Is this code for Anna, or is this code for, uh, his sister?

R

Rob MahoneyHost48:25

I thought it was code for his sister.

Joanna RobinsonHost48:26

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost48:26

Where the names have been changed-

Joanna RobinsonHost48:28

Right

R

Rob MahoneyHost48:28

... to protect the people involved-

Joanna RobinsonHost48:29

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost48:29

... and also any resemblance to real life-

Joanna RobinsonHost48:31

Protect these constitutionalists

R

Rob MahoneyHost48:31

... circumstances are merely a coincidence Uh, all right, so the story, if you may now recall from this episode, is there's a girl who thought she was better than everyone, who basically, like, tortures this young boy, or, I mean, it could be a boy of any age, I guess, until she eventually, like, falls in love with him.

Joanna RobinsonHost48:46

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost48:47

And then the boy, it, like, enacts his revenge-

Joanna RobinsonHost48:49

He morphs her disdain into desire.

R

Rob MahoneyHost48:51

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost48:51

Right.

R

Rob MahoneyHost48:52

And then uses that because he wants to extract his revenge in pain over-

Joanna RobinsonHost48:56

Right

R

Rob MahoneyHost48:57

... time, and, like, becomes her torturer in a way.

Joanna RobinsonHost48:59

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost49:00

Um, and so he says, "When someone really wrongs you, you find your way, and you take your time to make that someone feel the way you felt, which is a total loss of control."

Joanna RobinsonHost49:07

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost49:08

This to me feels like it's probably more Juliette Lewis, AKA C, as we think we know her now-

Joanna RobinsonHost49:13

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost49:13

... coded than it would be Anna.

Joanna RobinsonHost49:15

But I could see it with Anna being, like, someone who th- you know, uh-

R

Rob MahoneyHost49:18

But why would Anna have, like, tortured him? Why would she have, like-

Joanna RobinsonHost49:21

Well, in his mind torture.

R

Rob MahoneyHost49:23

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost49:23

But, like, if she came in with an attitude of, "I'm better than you."

R

Rob MahoneyHost49:26

Could see that.

Joanna RobinsonHost49:27

You know?

R

Rob MahoneyHost49:28

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost49:28

Um, and then he's like, "Oh, she doesn't think too highly of me.

Joanna RobinsonHost49:31

She's taking this case, but she doesn't think well of me.

Joanna RobinsonHost49:33

I'm going to make her desire me."

R

Rob MahoneyHost49:36

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost49:36

"And then I'm going to use that against her somehow." I don't know.

Joanna RobinsonHost49:40

I could see it going either way.

R

Rob MahoneyHost49:41

Well, there's certainly enough allusion to desire or connection as far as Max and Anna's past.

R

Rob MahoneyHost49:47

Like, Max is really needling them both during these sequences, right?

Joanna RobinsonHost49:50

Oh, absol- I mean, because Tom's like, "Did you fuck him?"

R

Rob MahoneyHost49:52

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost49:52

Like, absolutely.

Joanna RobinsonHost49:54

The surrogate thing was so funny.

R

Rob MahoneyHost49:56

It was really good.

Joanna RobinsonHost49:56

Because, like, uh, him being like, "Oh, there's, like, an age limit," right? Like-

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:02

Fucked up [laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost50:03

Fucked up, especially after he's just, like, shoved his tongue down the throat of Honey, who is much younger obviously.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:09

Um-

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:10

He's telling...

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:10

I mean, they're, he's devouring that woman.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:13

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:13

Um, did you get the sense when he...

Joanna RobinsonHost50:17

I was trying to parse when he's like, "Who else? Who else?" Like-

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:19

Oh, I think the implication is pretty clear.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:21

What, what is your-

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:22

I think the implication is Natalie.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:23

That was-

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:24

That he's just like-

Joanna RobinsonHost50:24

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:24

... "I'm just gonna throw this out there-

Joanna RobinsonHost50:25

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:25

... and let it hang in the air."

Joanna RobinsonHost50:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:27

That's, that's-

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:27

And see, and-

Joanna RobinsonHost50:27

That was my read as well

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:28

... let you two squirm for a minute before I say this is a joke.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:31

Kidding.

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:31

Oh.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:32

Kidding.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:32

Yeah, absolutely.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:33

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:34

Um-

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:34

But yeah, the, the precursor to that is what do I want? I wanna be reunited with my family.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:38

Help me recreate my family.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:39

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:40

You could help me recreate my family perhaps by letting me borrow the vessel that is Zach's body.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:45

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:45

All kinds of vessels available-

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:46

You know?

Joanna RobinsonHost50:46

...

Joanna RobinsonHost50:46

I guess.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:47

Wow.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:47

And then, you know, he kicks him out.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:48

He's like, "Get the fuck out of my house."

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:50

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:50

He's like, "Let's do it again." I loved all of this.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:52

Like, what do neighbors talk about?

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:53

Yep.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:53

Let's do it again.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:54

You guys can host.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:56

Get the fuck out of my house.

Recap Part 4 – Walls, Possum & Chaos50:57 – 58:57

R

Rob MahoneyHost50:57

A very Cape Fear cigar.

Joanna RobinsonHost50:59

The De Niro cigar-

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:00

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost51:00

... shot is straight out of-

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:02

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost51:02

...

Joanna RobinsonHost51:02

Cape Fear, absolutely.

Joanna RobinsonHost51:03

I loved this.

Joanna RobinsonHost51:04

I thought this was fantastic.

Joanna RobinsonHost51:06

And then we get the Padrino, secondary Padrino flashback where we get the fact that he killed the Padrino-

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:10

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost51:10

... who had, I guess, offered him up to the Nazis.

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:13

Thrown him to the wolves.

Joanna RobinsonHost51:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost51:15

Um, anything else you wanna extract out of that?

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:17

I think it's just kind of a continuation of the same.

Joanna RobinsonHost51:19

Did you, did it feel like betray me, I will kill you sort of thing? Or the erosion of more trust, I put my trust in this Padrino-

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:30

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost51:30

... to, like, carry me through this thing, and then I found out that he's the one who offered me up-

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:34

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost51:34

... or stuff like that?

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:34

Well, and I think you can see the s- the seedlings here of this idea of, like, this-

Joanna RobinsonHost51:38

Oh, you're really in your garden metaphor.

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:40

I, I really, I, I really am.

Joanna RobinsonHost51:41

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:41

I'm sorry.

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:42

Uh, but this, like, religious figure-

Joanna RobinsonHost51:44

Taking root in him.

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:46

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost51:47

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:47

Just wrapping like a vine, you know? Uh, bringing him in, like, selling him this vision of his religion-

Joanna RobinsonHost51:53

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:53

... that is, like, based on the idea of, like, like suppress your anger.

Joanna RobinsonHost51:56

Mm-hmm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost51:57

And then to find out that that person has been manipulating you the whole time, I think you can see how Max might get to this, like, twisted version of, like, I'm gonna take these-

Joanna RobinsonHost52:04

Oh

R

Rob MahoneyHost52:04

... core teachings, but I'm gonna channel them the way I want.

R

Rob MahoneyHost52:07

Very dark side kinda stuff, honestly.

Joanna RobinsonHost52:08

S- so you're like re- reasonable, Max is a reasonable reaction to all this.

R

Rob MahoneyHost52:11

I think some of the things he asks for in this episode, like, "Hey, two lawyers who are now married."

Joanna RobinsonHost52:16

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost52:16

"One of them was my prosecutor and one of them my defense attorney."

Joanna RobinsonHost52:19

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost52:19

"Uh, could you issue a public apology and maybe not practice law again?" That actually seems like a very reasonable request.

Joanna RobinsonHost52:24

I don't disagree.

Joanna RobinsonHost52:25

Okay, so the promise the Padrino gives him is, like, you're gonna see your dead loved ones, and we see glossy-banged Melissa-

R

Rob MahoneyHost52:31

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost52:31

... and AI slop Adam.

R

Rob MahoneyHost52:32

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost52:33

But in last week's episode, when Juliette Lewis's character, C, says, like, "I reached out for you," and he says, "That was you," do you feel like...

Joanna RobinsonHost52:43

I mean, I don't think she was a- but do you feel like in that moment he's like, "Oh, I thought I was seeing my wife and my son, but maybe I was actually seeing this woman I..." You know what I mean?

R

Rob MahoneyHost52:54

Yeah, I could definitely see that.

Joanna RobinsonHost52:54

Like, sort of like if he's, if he's like, "I had these visions."

R

Rob MahoneyHost52:56

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost52:57

And she's like, "It was me." Do you know what I mean?

R

Rob MahoneyHost52:59

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost53:00

Like, in that, like, really weird state that they're b- like trance that they're both in in the cigar locker, AKA the hum- humidor.

Joanna RobinsonHost53:08

[laughs] I don't know.

Joanna RobinsonHost53:10

I was just thinking about that moment.

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:11

It, that would definitely check out to me.

Joanna RobinsonHost53:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:12

So the first time we see him really interact with this idea of seeing his dead wife and unborn son, who is now a teenager-

Joanna RobinsonHost53:18

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:18

... is while he's getting, like, brain surgery performed on him-

Joanna RobinsonHost53:22

Right

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:22

... with local anesthetic, which is some truly wild shit.

Joanna RobinsonHost53:25

We gotta keep you awake during brain surgery.

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:27

Yeah, while I do my cartoonishly, like, Dr. Frankenstein drill rev into the shadow.

Joanna RobinsonHost53:32

And then I'm, and then I'm gonna put you into a coma.

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:35

All makes sense to me.

Joanna RobinsonHost53:36

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:36

So supposedly he sees his wife and son then.

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:38

Then he sees them again, as you alluded to.

Joanna RobinsonHost53:40

If you, if you're a brain surgeon-

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:41

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost53:41

... who is somehow watching Cape Fear and listening to this podcast-

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:45

They might be

Joanna RobinsonHost53:46

... think of a baby Carrie gmail.com, is this how brain surgery is done?

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:50

Do you ask them to recite a nursery rhyme?

Joanna RobinsonHost53:51

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:52

And then also clarify that it needs to be in English-

Joanna RobinsonHost53:54

In English

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:54

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:54

so you can understand.

Joanna RobinsonHost53:55

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost53:56

Uh, and then secondarily, when they, when he is kind of first converting and at the altar and they're all reciting these chants, that's when he sees the immaculate bangs, right?

Joanna RobinsonHost54:04

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost54:04

The sacred bangs.

Joanna RobinsonHost54:05

Immaculate.

R

Rob MahoneyHost54:06

Uh, and then yeah, I guess, uh, supposedly again in his dreams, maybe many times since then.

Joanna RobinsonHost54:10

Mm-hmm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost54:10

And I just think this checks out, where if a random kid gave you a drawing that is suspiciously like the version of your son you have seen in your head.

Joanna RobinsonHost54:17

Hmm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost54:19

Some, some w- like, dots are connecting here.

Joanna RobinsonHost54:22

Do you...

Joanna RobinsonHost54:22

So when he was talking to Tom at the country club or gentleman's club, whatever you prefer, and he's like, "Uh, the thing I really want more than anything, like, if I could have a moment to connect with my son again-"

R

Rob MahoneyHost54:36

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost54:36

... "like, I would, I would do it," and then this through line into recreate.

Joanna RobinsonHost54:39

Like, do we believe that that's true, or is this just a cover for his vengeance? Like, is there an earnest desire to- ...

Joanna RobinsonHost54:46

recreate his family, not necessarily by impregnating Natalie or anything like that-

R

Rob MahoneyHost54:49

Right

Joanna RobinsonHost54:49

...

Joanna RobinsonHost54:49

but just sort of like in general.

R

Rob MahoneyHost54:51

I think so.

R

Rob MahoneyHost54:52

I think-

Joanna RobinsonHost54:52

Stealing their son.

R

Rob MahoneyHost54:53

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost54:53

You know?

R

Rob MahoneyHost54:53

Also, why not both, right?

Joanna RobinsonHost54:55

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost54:55

It's like you can hurt them by also getting the thing you want.

Joanna RobinsonHost54:57

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost54:58

And turning that against the Bowdens might be the sweetest form of revenge.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:01

Again, the Bowdens.

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:02

Again.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:03

Zach, I presume, started the fire here.

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:05

Well, I mean, Nevaeh could have done it, too.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:07

Together maybe?

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:08

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:08

With us.

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:08

Also, who stole the toe back? Could've been either one.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:11

This is...

Joanna RobinsonHost55:12

These are general sentences that we're... [laughs] Who stole the toe back? All right.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:18

Secret tunnels in the wall.

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:19

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:20

The Bowden back rooms.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:22

Oh, Bowden back rooms.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:23

That's really good.

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:24

Thank you.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:25

You're welcome.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:26

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:26

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost55:26

Go fuck yourself, Anna.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:28

I loved the red paint, like, spatter when she took the paint can and hit Nevaeh in the head and I, for a second, did think that was blood.

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:34

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:34

And then I was like, "Oh, it's way too much blood.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:36

It's paint."

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:37

There's a lot of blood.

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:37

That, to me, was the trashiest soap opera-iest moment.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:40

Oh, yeah, the, the blood-

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:41

Of just like-

Joanna RobinsonHost55:41

Yeah, the paint splatter

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:42

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:42

the, the paint can smack over the head with the paint-

Joanna RobinsonHost55:45

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:45

... with splatter.

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:45

Like, really wonderful stuff.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:47

Stay away from my son.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:48

What son? Dun, dun, dun.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:50

All right.

Joanna RobinsonHost55:51

So, uh, what else do you wanna say about this episode of television? Oh, and then we get the bloody footprints-

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:57

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost55:57

... going across the street.

R

Rob MahoneyHost55:58

Well, first we get Tom going into the walls.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:01

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:01

And then collapsing, fighting for his...

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:04

Absolutely fighting for his life with somebody back there.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:07

You know what I have to say?

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:08

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:08

Uh, you know, for the actress who plays Nevaeh-

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:11

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost56:11

... whose name is not in front of me right now.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:13

Um, excellent screeching and screaming.

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:15

Yes.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:16

Excellent, excellent job.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:17

Uh, Malia Pyles.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:19

Incredible just, like, hell cat energy-

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:21

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost56:21

... from her in this sequence.

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:23

I mean, comes through the wall and, like, tries to strangle him basically as the rest of the family just kinda watches.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:27

I did think that moment when she grabs Anna's arm-

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:30

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost56:30

... from, like, the wall was really good.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:33

Um, I mean, like, when, when they were like, "Oh, it's just a possum," I was like, "I don't know.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:36

I heard some screaming that didn't sound like possum to me."

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:39

That was the moment of the episode for me.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:41

Oh, okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:41

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:41

It's like [laughs] you hear two people screaming-

Joanna RobinsonHost56:43

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:43

... bloody murder.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:44

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:45

Repeated bludgeoning and-

Joanna RobinsonHost56:46

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:46

... fighting.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:47

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:47

And-

Joanna RobinsonHost56:48

Oh, it's just a possum.

Joanna RobinsonHost56:49

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:49

[laughs] And Anna's like, "Oh, it was, it was just the possum, silly."

Joanna RobinsonHost56:52

Well, is that your too dumb to live moment? I-

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:53

I think my too dumb to live moment is Anna going into the wall after Tom-

Joanna RobinsonHost56:57

Oh

R

Rob MahoneyHost56:57

... has literally come out of the wall being like, "There's somebody back there."

Joanna RobinsonHost57:00

I thought Tom might die in this episode.

R

Rob MahoneyHost57:02

I think very likely.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:03

Like, when he went into the wall and, like, he fell down through the floors and stuff like that, I was like, if To- if, if Nevaeh's in the wall and Nevaeh kills him-

R

Rob MahoneyHost57:09

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost57:10

...

Joanna RobinsonHost57:10

I would not be surpri- she's so eager.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:12

Her knife is ready.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:13

Yeah, the horror movie moment of her, like, grabbing out for Anna's arm I thought was really good.

R

Rob MahoneyHost57:17

Really terrific.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:17

And, um, yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:19

And then just, like, pulling her, [laughs] literally pulling her out of the wall-

R

Rob MahoneyHost57:22

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost57:22

...

Joanna RobinsonHost57:22

I thought was fantastic.

R

Rob MahoneyHost57:23

Although, in that two seconds after, "Oh, it was just the possum," and we see the possum.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:27

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost57:27

I was like, "Can Nevaeh animorph into a possum?"

Joanna RobinsonHost57:30

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost57:31

Is that where this is going?

Joanna RobinsonHost57:33

This, this is very House of the Dragon.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:35

Is Alice Rivers a goat? Is she a possum? [laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost57:37

Could she turn into a possum? Turns out no.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:40

Possum transmogrification-

R

Rob MahoneyHost57:42

Yes

Joanna RobinsonHost57:42

... is what you're saying.

R

Rob MahoneyHost57:43

I can-

Joanna RobinsonHost57:43

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:43

Animal-

R

Rob MahoneyHost57:43

We can now confirm we have seen Nevaeh and the possum in the same place.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:48

I- is animorph, like, a, is another, like, 1993 reference, would you say?

R

Rob MahoneyHost57:51

I guess so.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:52

Maybe.

R

Rob MahoneyHost57:52

I, it's a little later.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:53

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost57:53

Maybe that's more like '97, '98.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:55

'97, '98.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:55

Okay, great.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:56

Um, I loved this.

Joanna RobinsonHost57:58

I thought this episode was great.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:00

I really feel like I, the show has hit its stride with me-

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:02

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost58:02

...

Joanna RobinsonHost58:02

in my heart, and I had a great time watching this episode.

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:05

It's wonderful.

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:06

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost58:06

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:07

I don't...

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:07

Again, I don't know if it's good-

Joanna RobinsonHost58:08

But also-

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:08

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:08

but it's wonderful.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:09

I know that when I watch it, I get to come in and talk to you about it-

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:12

It's fun, fun

Joanna RobinsonHost58:12

... and, like, hear from our listeners about it, so, um, it's great.

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:15

We're all in the muck together.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:16

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:16

It's really what m-

Joanna RobinsonHost58:17

We really are

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:17

... something that's so enjoyable, and we're all just...

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:19

I mean, this episode was the sweatiest yet.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:21

Oh.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:21

Well, the AC is not working.

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:22

That's what I'm saying.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:23

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:23

And nobody is inclined to fix it.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:24

Absolutely.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:26

If you're...

Joanna RobinsonHost58:27

Just once again, on the drinking alcohol as, as a sweaty banged teenager-

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:32

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost58:32

...

Joanna RobinsonHost58:32

in Savannah, Georgia, I feel like Natalie wants a mixer.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:37

She's not mixing it with anything.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:38

She's just straight chugging alcohol.

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:40

That's a lot of straight vodka.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:42

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:42

Even for an aggressive teen who doesn't really know what they're doing.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:45

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:45

Like, it's just a lot.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:47

We're not doing, like, a, a Smirnoff Ice, whatever the kids version of that these days is, or, like, mixing it into the sweet tea or anything like that.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:55

We're just chugging it from the bottle.

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:56

That's the thing.

Debrief – Performances, Sweet Tea & Authenticity58:57 – 1:01:02

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:57

You got the tea on hand.

Joanna RobinsonHost58:58

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost58:58

There's probably, like, some cranberry juice in there somewhere.

Joanna RobinsonHost59:00

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:00

Like, make something happen.

Joanna RobinsonHost59:02

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost59:02

Tough, really tough.

Joanna RobinsonHost59:03

Um, all right.

Joanna RobinsonHost59:04

Did we do it?

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:04

I think we did it.

Joanna RobinsonHost59:05

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:05

Uh, one last note, just for our lawyer friends who have been emailing in about Max Katie's sudden release from prison.

Joanna RobinsonHost59:11

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:11

Uh, earlier in this episode when Tom is meeting with his attorney friend, they do give some flimsy explanation-

Joanna RobinsonHost59:17

Oh, yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:17

... as to, like, oh, political reasons, the governor was embarrassed by this other case, then they, like, fast-tracked Max's-

Joanna RobinsonHost59:23

Okay

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:23

... way out of prison.

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:24

So-

Joanna RobinsonHost59:24

Yada, yada, yada

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:24

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:24

they yada, yada'd it a little bit.

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:25

Corners were cut.

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:27

But, you know, a kind of plausibility in the world of Cape Fear.

Joanna RobinsonHost59:31

Next week's episode is called The Mongrel and has three credited writers.

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:36

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost59:37

I just have some questions about that.

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:39

Is a possum a mongrel?

Joanna RobinsonHost59:41

Um, I bet some possums are mongrels, but not every-

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:44

Not all

Joanna RobinsonHost59:44

... mongrel is a possum.

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:45

Wow.

Joanna RobinsonHost59:46

You know what I mean?

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:46

I've...

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:47

Now I wanna speak to the possums that are not mongrels.

Joanna RobinsonHost59:49

Did you grow up calling them possums or opossums?

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:51

Nobody...

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:52

Jo, no one says opossum.

Joanna RobinsonHost59:53

Yes, people... [laughs] It's a regional thing.

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:55

What?

Joanna RobinsonHost59:55

People say opossum, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost59:56

No, no one says opossum.

Joanna RobinsonHost59:58

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost59:58

I'm thinking of a Baby Carrot email I got.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:00

It's, it's-

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:00

That is true

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:01

... a silent O.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:01

No.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:02

I grew up calling...

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:03

I didn't even know that-

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:04

Yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:04

...

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:04

they were, like, known as opossums and...

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:06

But some places in the country, they call them o- opossums.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:08

I say this with great love and affection.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:10

I could see you calling them opossums because, look, look, you're a very bookish sort.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:16

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:16

I could see you reading the word opossum-

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:19

Oh, like how my sister-

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:19

... thousands of times

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:20

... my sister thought the word misled was mizzled-

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:22

Exactly

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:22

... because she'd only read it? Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:23

It's just in your head.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:24

And in your head, I could have seen it as being opossum.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:26

No. Um, thanks so much for-

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:28

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:29

... lovingly calling me dumb.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:30

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:30

I'm saying you're scholarly.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:31

No, on the contrary.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:32

I'm saying, I'm saying you're a learned sort.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:35

I believe I'm right about this regional opossum thing, but I would like to hear from our listeners-

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:39

I would, too

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:39

... rather than Google it.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:40

And don't AI, give us an AI answer.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:42

Give us your real regional answer.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:43

How sweet is your tea?

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:44

No sloths.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:45

Like, what's the correlation between the sweetness of the tea and whether or not you say opossum versus possum? This is something I'm curious about.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:50

I like to think there's, like...

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:51

Do you remember that New York Times, like, regional dialect quiz-

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:54

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:54

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:54

some years ago?

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:54

Yes.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:55

I feel like there's an equivalent of, like, how sweet is your tea.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:00:57

Yeah, absolutely.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:00:57

And we can, we can regionally make a very precise guess where you came from.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:00

I kinda feel like Savannah, Georgia is, like-

Conspiracy-Board Card Rundown1:01:02 – 1:03:56

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:01:02

That might be it

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:03

...

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:03

the hot, the hot center-

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:01:04

Oh, yeah

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:04

... of it, you know? All right.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:05

Um, we'll be back in a second with the conspiracy board and the new cards we're adding to it.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:11

We'll see you in a sec All right, we are back with some more cards to put on the board here at episode six of Cape Fear.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:18

Having a great time.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:19

We're gonna start off strong with RIP jar toe.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:23

RIP little homie.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:01:24

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:25

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:01:25

We barely knew you.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:26

A charcoal briquette now.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:01:27

Let's keep it going along the same thematic lines.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:30

Mm-hmm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:01:30

We wouldn't even know about the jar toe if not for the Bowden back rooms.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:35

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:01:35

The sa- the sacred liminal space inside the Bowden home.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:01:39

Who knows what lurks there beyond our own traumas?

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:41

Do you think now back rooms is mandatory viewing to understanding this season of Cape Fear?

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:01:46

I think it might be mandatory viewing to understanding the human experience.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:49

Great.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:49

All right, we're not sure she exists.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:50

She might be a metaphor.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:52

Lila-

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:01:52

Mm-hmm

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:52

... question mark and tarot bang.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:01:54

Maybe C, maybe Anna, maybe just some other lady.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:01:57

We have added C to the Juliette Lewis card on the board.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:00

Absolutely checks out to me.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:02

Another C, the AC.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:04

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:04

The broken AC in fact.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:05

Maybe it's a coolant leak, maybe it's not.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:07

RIP the yoga drone.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:08

We're just, like, looking to get more, some more red X on, on the board.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:11

It's true.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:11

So we're not 100% certain this is the same drone, but-

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:14

Could be drone 2.0

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:15

... we love to kill a drone.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:16

We do love to kill a drone.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:17

Already dead, though.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:18

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:19

Melissa and Adam.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:20

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:20

Although maybe resurrected as a restaurant concept with a tasteful refreshed menu.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:24

Well, so that's why I made that card because-

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:26

The ampersand

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:26

...

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:26

the ampersand is, is a real restaurant, uh, name.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:29

I will say a- as ampersand restaurants go, I'm a little more Melissa and Adam oriented than, like, flower and water oriented.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:36

This is why I did this.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:37

My friend, my best friend and I have a game where when we're out in the world and you see a sign that is a proper noun, ampersand, proper noun, we take a photo and send it to each other.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:45

Yeah, it's one of the worst things that we as millennials ever do.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:47

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:48

[laughs] Is it our fault?

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:49

I think it's our fault.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:50

We did that? Oh, God.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:51

All right.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:52

Old man on phone.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:53

We don't know who it is.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:54

Is it his dad? Is it Ron Perlman?

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:55

Mm-hmm.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:55

Is it Robert De Niro? We don't know.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:57

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:02:57

But there's an old man on the phone, so he gets a card.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:02:59

We do know this man, Henry, 'cause we would know that mustache anywhere.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:02

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:02

Tom's lawyer friend.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:03

Would we? [laughs] I'm just questioning my own artistic skills.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:06

I'm not.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:07

Okay, great.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:07

This is beautiful.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:08

Thank you.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:09

The nostrils are really what does it for me.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:11

[laughs] Shotgun.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:12

Check off shotgun.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:13

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:13

There's, you know, forget the nail gun, forget the pepper spray, but we will remember all those things, but also there's a shotgun on the loose, and Natalie knows how to sh- I mean, good job, Natalie.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:21

Oh my God.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:22

Crack aim.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:23

I mean, anyone would know too if they listen to our Widows' Bay pods how I feel about someone triumphantly cocking a shotgun.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:28

Oh, yeah, yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:28

I mean, it's just one of the great things you can do.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:30

I mean-

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:30

So shout out to Natalie

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:31

... we support Natalie, but Patricia is our queen.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:33

It's hard to top.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:34

It's very true.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:34

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:35

The aspect ratio shift.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:37

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:37

Do not adjust your television sets.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:39

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:39

We are zooming in and out of focus.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:41

We are changing the resolution.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:42

We're doing a lot of things 'cause we're on drugs.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:44

Absolutely.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:45

Pepper spray, it's there.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:46

We're not sure if it'll come back, but we just wanna note that it is there.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:49

We have a new tradition.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:50

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:50

We're starting a new subcategory of the board.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:53

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:53

Obviously peanut butter has been renamed.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:55

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:55

Manny.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:56

Manny.

Sign-Off & Programming Notes1:03:56 – 1:06:29

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:56

It's just a better name.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:57

Absolutely.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:57

Sub card.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:03:58

Yeah.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:03:59

He's a fucking traitor.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:00

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:01

He is.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:02

You can't force a cat to do anything, but guess what? That cat doesn't love you.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:05

If Romeo winds up going across the street to the Bowdens, are you ready to slap a traitor card on a dog?

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:10

Yeah, but it would never happen.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:11

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:12

We are retiring microdosing, and we're moving it on to macrodosing.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:15

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:15

We're macrodosing LSD.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:18

How much of the vial do you think went into that, that, like a-

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:21

Oh, I dr-

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:21

...

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:21

the pitcher of iced tea?

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:22

I bet Zach has a heavy pour.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:24

Just dumped that thing.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:25

That's what I bet.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:25

Yeah, absolutely.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:26

Immacula Banks.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:28

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:28

This is the podcast for them-

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:29

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:30

... whether they're in a vision of your dead loved ones or just watching The Prestige TV.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:34

Dr. Anita's anger management course, uh-

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:36

Mm.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:36

Incomplete.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:37

Incomplete.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:38

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:38

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:38

Anna has an incomplete.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:40

But along the same new media lines, somehow podcast guy returns.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:44

[laughs]

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:44

I believe his name is Lewis something.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:46

Wow, you bothered to know his name.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:47

Lewis Powell maybe.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:48

Wow.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:48

Perhaps.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:49

Guys, this is not how podcasters behave, I promise you.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:51

No.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:52

This is, this is some shitty paparazzi stuff.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:53

Well, other than the many times you have harangued people on the street.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:56

Well then, no, that's just you.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:04:57

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:57

All right.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:04:57

Honey, Honey, Honey, the bartender.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:01

Uh, she's here.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:02

She's in her underwear.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:05:03

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:03

She seems like she's having a great time.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:05:04

Oh, just the ride of her life-

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:06

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:06

[laughs]

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Rob MahoneyHost1:05:06

... here hanging out with Max.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:05:08

El Padrino not having the ride of his life.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:10

No.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:05:10

At least not anymore.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:05:11

Shiv to death in prison.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:05:13

You know, I mean, you throw the wrong guy to the Aryan Brotherhood, and I guess this is just what happens.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:17

I mean, tough.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:18

All right, last but not least, the bloody footprints that lead from the Bowden home to across the street to Max's home.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:05:25

Yeah.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:25

So.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:05:26

I mean, the toes.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:27

Oh, yeah, there's four toes on this one.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:05:29

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:30

'Cause it's Zach.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:30

Are you worried about Zach?

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Rob MahoneyHost1:05:32

Why would I be worried? He's being inhabited by a ghost son.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:36

Is that his eye at the end of the episode?

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Rob MahoneyHost1:05:38

Great question.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:38

Okay.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:05:39

So I, I, I mean, clearly a mirror shot of the one we get of Max-

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:41

Yeah

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:05:41

... earlier in his, like, maybe third eye opening experience-

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:45

Sure

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Rob MahoneyHost1:05:45

...

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Rob MahoneyHost1:05:45

in prison, but now red.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:05:46

Feels like it's just the same shot, though.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:48

Okay, it's just still Max's eyes upon you.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:05:50

But now angry.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:51

Okay.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:51

Honey, Honey, Honey, it's time to end the podcast.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:53

We will be back with episode seven.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:05:56

We're pre-recording that one, so if you've emailed us, I'm so sorry, those emails will not join us.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:06:00

Rob is taking some sensible time off, so we're banking some Cape Fear episodes, but we will see you for the madness soon.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:06:06

Thanks to Kat Grady.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:06:07

Thanks to Evan Ronaldo.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:06:08

Thanks to Jacob Cornett.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:06:10

Thanks to Tim, and not you Savannah Coffee Roasters, 'cause no free ads.

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Rob MahoneyHost1:06:14

But also your coffee-

Joanna RobinsonHost1:06:15

But the coffee

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:06:15

... it's kinda good.

R

Rob MahoneyHost1:06:16

[laughs]

Joanna RobinsonHost1:06:16

The coffee kinda rules.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:06:17

All right, bye.

Joanna RobinsonHost1:06:22

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AHA MOMENT16:28–17:04
Ghost-Son Possession Theory
“Rob unveils unexpected new theory about Zach”
FUNNY3:23–3:32
Toe-Biting Coffee Ad
“Coffee review spirals into sacrificial toe joke”
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Weaponized Toe Debate
“Debating weapons: pepper spray versus detached toe”
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