The Official MUFON Podcast Episode 18 - Host Richard Beckwith interviews Grant Cameron

Let me ask you this, what would Seth Shostak say about all that?

Well, Seth is into the left brain.

I mean, he's sort of into the world where this is all total nonsense.

And that's where we got to get away from trying to convince people who are not going to be convinced.

There's absolutely no way.

I remember I've got the Stanton Friedman files.

I'm the guy that goes out and I've got 6,000 pages of Stanton Friedman's files.

And because of COVID, I haven't been able to go back.

But I use the example of him.

So he argued with Seth Shostak and Klaas and Oberg and Menzel and all this kind of stuff.

And he would always say the same thing.

I lecture, we had a debate at Oxford and 78% of the people say, I won the debate.

And yet, if you go back and say, how many people did Stan ever convince? Did he convince Phil Klass of anything? No, everybody just backs in their corner.

It's like American politics.

People can hear the same speech and they will say exactly the opposite.

And when they confront, they will move farther back in their corners.

That's the way it works.

It's our belief system that is influencing this whole thing.

So you can't convince these, or as, what was it, who was it said? I think it was Max Planck said, science, and I would say science and ufology advance one funeral at a time.

It is not that you convince, and so if Max Planck, who invented quantum physics, had the problem of trying to convince people that quantum physics was real, and said, science advances one funeral at a time.

We should learn the same lesson.

You're not going to convince anybody.

You've got to figure it out for yourself and put it out there.

And the younger people come along and they get acclimatized or what happened with New York times.

I remember back in the day, everybody thought, well, this is absolute nonsense.

Let me ask you this, what would Seth Shostak say about all that?

Well, Seth is into the left brain.

I mean, he's sort of into the world where this is all total nonsense.

And that's where we got to get away from trying to convince people who are not going to be convinced.

There's absolutely no way.

I remember I've got the Stanton Friedman files.

I'm the guy that goes out and I've got 6,000 pages of Stanton Friedman's files.

And because of COVID, I haven't been able to go back.

But I use the example of him.

So he argued with Seth Shostak and Klaas and Oberg and Menzel and all this kind of stuff.

And he would always say the same thing.

I lecture, we had a debate at Oxford and 78% of the people say, I won the debate.

And yet, if you go back and say, how many people did Stan ever convince? Did he convince Phil Klass of anything? No, everybody just backs in their corner.

It's like American politics.

People can hear the same speech and they will say exactly the opposite.

And when they confront, they will move farther back in their corners.

That's the way it works.

It's our belief system that is influencing this whole thing.

So you can't convince these, or as, what was it, who was it said? I think it was Max Planck said, science, and I would say science and ufology advance one funeral at a time.

It is not that you convince, and so if Max Planck, who invented quantum physics, had the problem of trying to convince people that quantum physics was real, and said, science advances one funeral at a time.

We should learn the same lesson.

You're not going to convince anybody.

You've got to figure it out for yourself and put it out there.

And the younger people come along and they get acclimatized or what happened with New York times.

I remember back in the day, everybody thought, well, this is absolute nonsense.