Oct 4, 2026 · 1 hr 31 min · 11 segments
Peter Ulric Tse is a Professor of Cognitive Neuroscience in the Department of Psychological and Brain Sciences at Dartmouth College, currently on sabbatical as a visiting professor at Cambridge and a…
Neanderthals did have musical instruments I'm not sure if they had toys in that way or like that kind of an implement but Neanderthals fascinate me in their sophistication but it also makes me think so obviously humans at some point this cascaded into something like humans what had the same stone tools for like i don't know a million years would that be an exaggeration like that there was a very stable period where there wasn't this uptick in imagination so it's it's the disc gradually take off or what's the what's the evolutionary story there
yeah i mean okay so i think you're talking about the uh homo erectus stone cool tool called the hand axe i think it's called the achulian hand axe and uh you know it depends where you place it but homo erectus arises between two and 1.8 million years ago and may have existed until really recently like some people think that it might have even existed in java you know within the past 150 000 years or so who knows Who knows? But that hand axe hardly changed for over a million years.
They had a template in their head about how to build this very specific thing.
Somebody, whose name I forget, suggested this hand axe was so uniform in its shape that it might have served some kind of symbolic role, like money.
But yeah, it didn't change.
And then you
have the evolution of, well, the Neanderthals had a tool set called the Musterian tool set, which was very sophisticated.
And our ancestors came up with a change that I call the Leveloir technique, which really, I think, required projection into the future because it involves many steps before you get the actual piece that you want.
yeah so it is sort of emergence there's a sort of a slow evolution there right of like because imagination didn't turn from the concrete form into you know what was it someone was it a dog flying around the moon or something like that you said what like there was something like that that switch obviously didn't happen overnight um but Yeah, I guess.
And maybe this is something we can't really know.
But like, it's, it is interesting that there was, it's not, it's not just tools, because as you said, the bonobos could have tools, you know, we can find different animals with different tools, and then humans had these stable tools.
But at what point, at what point did someone make an umbrella? You know what I mean? At what point is that? And then obviously we live more in an imaginal realm almost now, or in this human world of abstracts where we get worked up over nations, over borders that don't actually exist, and money.
These things structure our reality that are kind of, on some level, imagination, but a reified sort of imagination.
No, no, I think they are
But if everybody agrees, same with money, right, that it has a reality, then it does have a kind of reality.
I mean, in a way, our imaginations are, well, I would say it's our greatest tool and yet also our greatest weapon, right? And often we weaponize it against ourselves.
And also, I mean, so much of what drives, you know, getting to countries, so much of what drives the imagination of our politicians and the CIA and all these sort of people who want to rule the world.
Neanderthals did have musical instruments I'm not sure if they had toys in that way or like that kind of an implement but Neanderthals fascinate me in their sophistication but it also makes me think so obviously humans at some point this cascaded into something like humans what had the same stone tools for like i don't know a million years would that be an exaggeration like that there was a very stable period where there wasn't this uptick in imagination so it's it's the disc gradually take off or what's the what's the evolutionary story there
yeah i mean okay so i think you're talking about the uh homo erectus stone cool tool called the hand axe i think it's called the achulian hand axe and uh you know it depends where you place it but homo erectus arises between two and 1.8 million years ago and may have existed until really recently like some people think that it might have even existed in java you know within the past 150 000 years or so who knows Who knows? But that hand axe hardly changed for over a million years.
They had a template in their head about how to build this very specific thing.
Somebody, whose name I forget, suggested this hand axe was so uniform in its shape that it might have served some kind of symbolic role, like money.
But yeah, it didn't change.
And then you
have the evolution of, well, the Neanderthals had a tool set called the Musterian tool set, which was very sophisticated.
And our ancestors came up with a change that I call the Leveloir technique, which really, I think, required projection into the future because it involves many steps before you get the actual piece that you want.
yeah so it is sort of emergence there's a sort of a slow evolution there right of like because imagination didn't turn from the concrete form into you know what was it someone was it a dog flying around the moon or something like that you said what like there was something like that that switch obviously didn't happen overnight um but Yeah, I guess.
And maybe this is something we can't really know.
But like, it's, it is interesting that there was, it's not, it's not just tools, because as you said, the bonobos could have tools, you know, we can find different animals with different tools, and then humans had these stable tools.
But at what point, at what point did someone make an umbrella? You know what I mean? At what point is that? And then obviously we live more in an imaginal realm almost now, or in this human world of abstracts where we get worked up over nations, over borders that don't actually exist, and money.
These things structure our reality that are kind of, on some level, imagination, but a reified sort of imagination.
No, no, I think they are
But if everybody agrees, same with money, right, that it has a reality, then it does have a kind of reality.
I mean, in a way, our imaginations are, well, I would say it's our greatest tool and yet also our greatest weapon, right? And often we weaponize it against ourselves.
And also, I mean, so much of what drives, you know, getting to countries, so much of what drives the imagination of our politicians and the CIA and all these sort of people who want to rule the world.
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