Oct 6, 2026 · 1 hr · 10 segments
What does it mean to move from relevance to significance? In this conversation, Rabbi Michael Holzman sits down with Rich Harwood to explore one of the deepest tensions facing faith leaders and…
Rich HarwoodGuestI mean, you, you always talk about bring- you know, this, this expression, uh, that you use all the time about moving forward.
I mean, constantly, in, in every question, in every small group, it's like you ask people, "What do you think about moving forward? What's, what's preventing you from moving forward?"
In all the years, in the, like, the decade that I've been hearing you ask this question or more, um, it never before now has it felt like moving forward has become more difficult.
Um, you've been doing this much longer than me, um, you know, and you're still better looking and, and, you know, and you look...
But, but, but seriously, you know, how do you, how do you define, like, moving forward? Because right now it feels like moving forward is, is science fiction.
Well, things feel stuck because our political leaders insist on keeping things stuck.
Things seem stuck because our news media insists on dividing us so that they can ramp up their ratings.
Things seem stuck for a whole lot of nonprofits because they've decided that they're gonna embrace certain political positions and even weaponize their agendas so that they can be more relevant to a segment of our society.
Things feel stuck because in, at least in a lot of the communities I work with across the country, faith leaders insist that their doctrine has to win at any cost under the ruse of, of religious lang- language.
I mean, you, you always talk about bring- you know, this, this expression, uh, that you use all the time about moving forward.
I mean, constantly, in, in every question, in every small group, it's like you ask people, "What do you think about moving forward? What's, what's preventing you from moving forward?"
In all the years, in the, like, the decade that I've been hearing you ask this question or more, um, it never before now has it felt like moving forward has become more difficult.
Um, you've been doing this much longer than me, um, you know, and you're still better looking and, and, you know, and you look...
But, but, but seriously, you know, how do you, how do you define, like, moving forward? Because right now it feels like moving forward is, is science fiction.
Well, things feel stuck because our political leaders insist on keeping things stuck.
Things seem stuck because our news media insists on dividing us so that they can ramp up their ratings.
Things seem stuck for a whole lot of nonprofits because they've decided that they're gonna embrace certain political positions and even weaponize their agendas so that they can be more relevant to a segment of our society.
Things feel stuck because in, at least in a lot of the communities I work with across the country, faith leaders insist that their doctrine has to win at any cost under the ruse of, of religious lang- language.
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