Sep 23, 2026 · 1 hr 15 min · 36 segments
Andrea Virgin didn't set out to become a civil engineer or the leader of a major arts nonprofit. But after the 2008 recession hit her dance company, she traded her pointe shoes for a hard hat and…
Andrea VirginGuest
Emily Tisch SussmanHostThe side that was focused on getting her engineering degree and making her parents happy, and the side that wanted to follow her passion for dance.
In 2008, you were with a dance company that had to close because of the recession.
How did you get to that point? Did you graduate and you were in the company?

Once I left Houston Ballet, came back down to South Florida, I started dancing with a company called Ballet Florida out of West Palm Beach.

And started to kind of get integrated into that company was going for my finalizing my undergrad at FAU, which is a school here in Boca Raton.


Now let me dance so I can enjoy this career I've wanted to do for so long and work so hard at.

Then around that 2008, I mean, it was in 2007 that it really started to happen, was that the arts and culture industry was taking a huge hit.

People were pulling back, philanthropy was pulling back, ticket sales were pulling back.

And to add a further complexity, this company happened to have a lot of their philanthropy off the island, which was connected to the whole Bernie Madoff scandal, which was happening at the same time.

Needless to say, it was a very difficult environment for any nonprofit organization, let alone the performing arts.

And they started to really slow down their ability to pay their dancers and ultimately be able to even stay open.

And seeing the writing on the wall on that, I decided to audition, like see what other companies might be in a better financial state.
The side that was focused on getting her engineering degree and making her parents happy, and the side that wanted to follow her passion for dance.
In 2008, you were with a dance company that had to close because of the recession.
How did you get to that point? Did you graduate and you were in the company?

Once I left Houston Ballet, came back down to South Florida, I started dancing with a company called Ballet Florida out of West Palm Beach.

And started to kind of get integrated into that company was going for my finalizing my undergrad at FAU, which is a school here in Boca Raton.


Now let me dance so I can enjoy this career I've wanted to do for so long and work so hard at.

Then around that 2008, I mean, it was in 2007 that it really started to happen, was that the arts and culture industry was taking a huge hit.

People were pulling back, philanthropy was pulling back, ticket sales were pulling back.

And to add a further complexity, this company happened to have a lot of their philanthropy off the island, which was connected to the whole Bernie Madoff scandal, which was happening at the same time.

Needless to say, it was a very difficult environment for any nonprofit organization, let alone the performing arts.

And they started to really slow down their ability to pay their dancers and ultimately be able to even stay open.

And seeing the writing on the wall on that, I decided to audition, like see what other companies might be in a better financial state.
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