Jul 23, 2026 · 51 min · 12 segments
This episode features a discussion about the historical and spiritual context of modern challenges facing the Jewish people, specifically as they approach Tisha B'Av. The conversation explores the…
Ken SpiroHost
Ellie BassHost
I mean, Ellie, it seems to me the f- the first place to begin, in keeping with the whole theme of our podcast, is based on a presumption that we Jews introduced into the world, that there is an infinite creator of the universe who didn't just create and go on vacation, but is a God who acts in history, and that history is a controlled process leading to a destination, and that the Jewish people have a role t- a unique role, a really unique responsibility to, to play in that story.

I mean, all of human beings are God's children, and everyone plays a role in the story.

Why does such a tiny nation play such a huge role in human history? Why is that so important to understand? Because it- it's ...

If, if, if we just think we're randomly stumbling through a series of events, if we are perpetually trapped as a nation, whether we're in our own homeland, being invaded and occupied and expelled and spread around the world, and then slaughtered and expelled there, and then wherever we go, you know.

It seems like i- if, if there's n- if there's no higher power in this story, that's a pretty depressing ...

I mean, as supernatural as it really is, that's a pretty depressing way of looking at the narrative.

But once we recognize that there is a plot to the story, uh, we have a unique role to play.

I-- The reason why I so love history and physics, I mean, physics in my mind really demonstrates, uh, the, the laws of nature and design in an incredible way, uh, and the nature of reality.

But history demonstrates really the, the Hashgaha, as we say, that God's active control in history, that there are patterns and rules in the story.

I mean, Ellie, it seems to me the f- the first place to begin, in keeping with the whole theme of our podcast, is based on a presumption that we Jews introduced into the world, that there is an infinite creator of the universe who didn't just create and go on vacation, but is a God who acts in history, and that history is a controlled process leading to a destination, and that the Jewish people have a role t- a unique role, a really unique responsibility to, to play in that story.

I mean, all of human beings are God's children, and everyone plays a role in the story.

Why does such a tiny nation play such a huge role in human history? Why is that so important to understand? Because it- it's ...

If, if, if we just think we're randomly stumbling through a series of events, if we are perpetually trapped as a nation, whether we're in our own homeland, being invaded and occupied and expelled and spread around the world, and then slaughtered and expelled there, and then wherever we go, you know.

It seems like i- if, if there's n- if there's no higher power in this story, that's a pretty depressing ...

I mean, as supernatural as it really is, that's a pretty depressing way of looking at the narrative.

But once we recognize that there is a plot to the story, uh, we have a unique role to play.

I-- The reason why I so love history and physics, I mean, physics in my mind really demonstrates, uh, the, the laws of nature and design in an incredible way, uh, and the nature of reality.

But history demonstrates really the, the Hashgaha, as we say, that God's active control in history, that there are patterns and rules in the story.
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