Sep 28, 2026 · 53 min · 11 segments
*Ready to publish The gospel is bigger than personal assurance, bigger than moral reform, and bigger than the way most Christians think salvation works. Jon Moffat and Doug Van Dorn trace how…
Doug Van DornHost
John MoffittGuest
And Doug, I'm becoming more and more convinced of this daily, that salvation, that word, includes the entirety of the person and the world.
Like he's going to renew the world, right? So salvation, often, Doug, what happens is, And I don't care.
This is in every aspect of Christianity that when it says, oh, go preach the gospel so that they can be saved.
The good news is that Jesus will forgive you of your sins and like cling your slate up.
And if you do enough goody guy, goody girl stuff, then Jesus will finally at the end of your life accept you.
But then he also is the one who clothes you in righteousness and makes you acceptable because you can't do that.
And while we're waiting in the not yet, which is your shirt right now, for those of you in the fringe haven't seen that, you've got a great shirt on right now.
The already not yet, which is a powerful statement from the Reformation is that we are already one with Christ.
So I believe that what has happened, and we've been making this argument for a long time, we just gave you a whole episode of proving that it's still happening, is that if you remove the supernatural nature of our experience in the world, both kingdom of light, kingdom of darkness, that your body and mind live in both and are affected by both, but yet you use the gospel to save your soul, but the law to transform your body, Paul's like, it does not work this way.
And Doug, I'm becoming more and more convinced of this daily, that salvation, that word, includes the entirety of the person and the world.
Like he's going to renew the world, right? So salvation, often, Doug, what happens is, And I don't care.
This is in every aspect of Christianity that when it says, oh, go preach the gospel so that they can be saved.
The good news is that Jesus will forgive you of your sins and like cling your slate up.
And if you do enough goody guy, goody girl stuff, then Jesus will finally at the end of your life accept you.
But then he also is the one who clothes you in righteousness and makes you acceptable because you can't do that.
And while we're waiting in the not yet, which is your shirt right now, for those of you in the fringe haven't seen that, you've got a great shirt on right now.
The already not yet, which is a powerful statement from the Reformation is that we are already one with Christ.
So I believe that what has happened, and we've been making this argument for a long time, we just gave you a whole episode of proving that it's still happening, is that if you remove the supernatural nature of our experience in the world, both kingdom of light, kingdom of darkness, that your body and mind live in both and are affected by both, but yet you use the gospel to save your soul, but the law to transform your body, Paul's like, it does not work this way.
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