Press Play with Madeleine Brand
Oct 12, 2026 · 53 min · 18 segments
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Madeleine BrandHost
Azniv KorkejianGuest
Well, so what is your assessment now that the immediate storm is over? What do you see along our coasts?
These locations where we have beaches that are exposed to waves coming from the south just get hit again and again and again, and they have no time to recover.
Yeah, if the berms are built high enough, and in fact, we saw that in Newport and Balboa on Sunday.
So on Sunday, we had very high tides and very large waves, but they built berms extremely high, higher than I've ever seen them.
And that was very effective at keeping the waves from flooding the berm and flooding the town.
So as long as you have the sand, If you build berms, that offers a good protective.
But what we see in the Long Beach Peninsula is that eventually you run out of sand.
And once you run out of sand, your emergency response options are really rock.
Well, we probably don't have time to build seawalls through the end of our winter season.
There's just not going to be a break where you can get in there and build a proper seawall, which might look like a concrete wall.
What will happen is in between storms, we will place rock in these locations where we can get in with trucks and place rock.
And that rock is very, very effective at knocking down waves and wave-driven flooding.

But for the long term, what do you expect? How do you expect the coast to be damaged in the long term? And what can officials do to prevent basically homes from being washed away or at least damaged and beaches disappearing?

Well, so what is your assessment now that the immediate storm is over? What do you see along our coasts?
These locations where we have beaches that are exposed to waves coming from the south just get hit again and again and again, and they have no time to recover.
Yeah, if the berms are built high enough, and in fact, we saw that in Newport and Balboa on Sunday.
So on Sunday, we had very high tides and very large waves, but they built berms extremely high, higher than I've ever seen them.
And that was very effective at keeping the waves from flooding the berm and flooding the town.
So as long as you have the sand, If you build berms, that offers a good protective.
But what we see in the Long Beach Peninsula is that eventually you run out of sand.
And once you run out of sand, your emergency response options are really rock.
Well, we probably don't have time to build seawalls through the end of our winter season.
There's just not going to be a break where you can get in there and build a proper seawall, which might look like a concrete wall.
What will happen is in between storms, we will place rock in these locations where we can get in with trucks and place rock.
And that rock is very, very effective at knocking down waves and wave-driven flooding.

But for the long term, what do you expect? How do you expect the coast to be damaged in the long term? And what can officials do to prevent basically homes from being washed away or at least damaged and beaches disappearing?
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