Jun 9, 2026 · 1 hr 3 min · 15 segments
Behavioral scientist, fundraising strategist, and author of Neurogiving, Cherian Koshy, joins Howie Chan in this episode where they dive deep into how to influence people to give—and what behavioral…
Cherian KoshyGuestHowie ChanHostSo how does a family where one person [laughs] is a champion of debate, the other one is speech, what do gatherings look like? You were just talking be- I think before we recorded, you had a, had a gathering.

Uh, and she's younger than I am, but we actually ended up moving to different parts of the country, and our students competed against one another.

And she would hate me, I'm- for talking about this, but at one point, I left Apple Valley.

I coached for Forest Lake up in the northern suburbs, and, but I had a point in which I was coaching another kid, and my sister was trying to get to nationals, and I coached a kid to prevent her from going to nationals.

She got back at me at one point because our, when our kids were competing, she was out of Boston and I had a kid out of Apple Valley at the time, and her kid beat my kid in the final round.

But being nationally competitive in debate and at the highest levels of that, you get to understand really how argument functions and how, what that looks like to think about argument and its interplay at a really complex level, and to think several steps ahead of where the argument plays out, and that, I think, is...
So how does a family where one person [laughs] is a champion of debate, the other one is speech, what do gatherings look like? You were just talking be- I think before we recorded, you had a, had a gathering.

Uh, and she's younger than I am, but we actually ended up moving to different parts of the country, and our students competed against one another.

And she would hate me, I'm- for talking about this, but at one point, I left Apple Valley.

I coached for Forest Lake up in the northern suburbs, and, but I had a point in which I was coaching another kid, and my sister was trying to get to nationals, and I coached a kid to prevent her from going to nationals.

She got back at me at one point because our, when our kids were competing, she was out of Boston and I had a kid out of Apple Valley at the time, and her kid beat my kid in the final round.

But being nationally competitive in debate and at the highest levels of that, you get to understand really how argument functions and how, what that looks like to think about argument and its interplay at a really complex level, and to think several steps ahead of where the argument plays out, and that, I think, is...
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