ESP EP. 91 Senator Mark Walczyk

I want to touch on when you talked about the 50 year anniversary, not to jump forward too far, but when you're standing in the room, we talked a little bit about like the messy middle and doing the hard things when nobody's looking.

And the hard things don't necessarily mean physical feats.

They don't necessarily mean Iron Man's necessarily.

It could be like a hard conversation with your spouse.

Or it could be admitting when you're wrong.

It could be showing humility throughout your marriage so that your kids can see that.

Did you ever see that growing up? Did you see the relationship like pretty close up?

um i can't know i don't think so i think they kind of shielded us from a lot of that maybe hints of it um there was also like some family meeting but it felt a little formal like it didn't really see the friction okay um it's actually something like i'll give total credit to my wife Um, she doesn't mind, like as long as there's going to be reparation within a tough conversation, like we'll model that in front of the kids.

Interesting.

I just heard that recently about one of the reasons why relationships fall apart now is because they were shielded maybe too much from that stuff.

Like, oh, my parents never argued.

I'm in the relationship with this person.

We argue all the time.

It must be wrong.

Like this must be an issue with our relationship, which means it doesn't work.

And so model, I think like what you're talking about a little bit is like, being able to show that the disagreements and obviously not like throwing plates or anything, but you know, the disagreements and then working that out for your kids to be able to see in real time, I think is like healthy.

Yeah.

It's healthy for us to know like, Hey, if the kids are watching, like, uh, I got two little

boys.

They're fighting all the time.

Right.

But what do we do? We ask them when they're, when they're like done with a fight or when somebody's hit somebody, like we expect them to have an apology and a reconciliation.

So if you're not modeling that as parents, like you're just requiring it as a rule for your kids.

Like you haven't taught them anything.

Um, but if they see that in their parents and then you're also enforcing it with them, like lights out, man.