Aug 2, 2026 · 33 min · 10 segments
This interview, presented by Fr. Ben Saliba, with special guests Archbishop Anthony Fisher OP, and Professor Hayden Ramsay, is taken from a recent series of talks and reflections by Parousia media, in…
Anthony FisherGuest
Hayden RamsayHost
Ben SalibaHost
Now you use this word transubstantiation, which to a lot of people, might look a bit scary.
I think to a lot of people, they might think, hey, when they changed the wording of the creed so that we now say consubstantial with the Father, it's a bit similar to that.
I wondered if you'd like to have a go at just explaining very simply to our viewers what this is and also telling folk, is it important that they use this language?
It was first used by the magisterium of the church at the Second Lateran Council.
It was taken up then by St. Thomas Aquinas, who wrote beautifully on it and wrote so wisely on it.
that that became the official theology of the church very quickly so that they even put his Summa Theologica on the altar at the Council of Trent when they were deciding the churches, defining the church's teachings on the Eucharist.
They put the Bible and the Summa of St. Thomas because they knew he would be there to help them get this right.
And so he popularized this language, but it had already been used by the church.
And what it's trying to capture is This isn't just a symbol, it is a symbol, but it is not just a symbol.
That change has occurred at the moment of the consecration is the Catholic faith.
It goes back to the teachings of St. Paul and St. John in the New Testament, the teachings of Jesus himself.
and right through the Fathers of the Church and consistently by the great Doctors of the Church, the Councils of the Church, the Popes of the Church.
Now you use this word transubstantiation, which to a lot of people, might look a bit scary.
I think to a lot of people, they might think, hey, when they changed the wording of the creed so that we now say consubstantial with the Father, it's a bit similar to that.
I wondered if you'd like to have a go at just explaining very simply to our viewers what this is and also telling folk, is it important that they use this language?
It was first used by the magisterium of the church at the Second Lateran Council.
It was taken up then by St. Thomas Aquinas, who wrote beautifully on it and wrote so wisely on it.
that that became the official theology of the church very quickly so that they even put his Summa Theologica on the altar at the Council of Trent when they were deciding the churches, defining the church's teachings on the Eucharist.
They put the Bible and the Summa of St. Thomas because they knew he would be there to help them get this right.
And so he popularized this language, but it had already been used by the church.
And what it's trying to capture is This isn't just a symbol, it is a symbol, but it is not just a symbol.
That change has occurred at the moment of the consecration is the Catholic faith.
It goes back to the teachings of St. Paul and St. John in the New Testament, the teachings of Jesus himself.
and right through the Fathers of the Church and consistently by the great Doctors of the Church, the Councils of the Church, the Popes of the Church.
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