E146 | Aliens, Consciousness, and Reality (for Experiencers and Skeptics) | Michael Garfield in dialogue with Tim Adalin

So like, like, I guess I'm more or less just performing a perspective, which is that like thinking in a multi and meta perspectival way is now something I've been doing for, you know, 20 plus years, but At the time, it was very new to me, and I think that those experiences were kind of an initiation into what my – who eventually became my graduate advisor, my friend Sean S. Bjorn Hargens – His work in particular was really deeply informative to me in, you know, trying to think about how to address, to do what you're doing now, which is to address a truth claim by opening the aperture of the conversation beyond, you know, like, Inner subjective second person validation focuses on the what that two people perceive.

And then third person validation, you know, the modern turn is a turn into the inclusion of methodology.

You know, it's the reproducible experiment.

And now we're getting into something that I think the world is crazy enough that we, you know, for the last several decades, we've started developing a deeper appreciation, including in like the linguistic turn in postmodern philosophy, in...

Including who is doing the talking in the multidimensional address of whatever it is we might say about the world.

So he and Ken Wilber had come up with this, that we can't say anything without including the who, the how, and the what.

And they had an integral metaprospectival calculus system.

And the experiences that I had certainly challenged me in as much as I needed a meta-framework like that in order to hold them.

I needed what, when I had Sean on the old version of my show, Future Fossils, that he introduced me to the idea of the Buddhist Tetralemma.

you know, where something can be true, false, both true and false and neither true nor false, you know, and, and that's, I, I love that.

And I, you know, I love that a system as capacious as his make space for that.

And, you know, uh, Later, when I had him back on, once he was finally out of the closet to talk about his own sort of meta-theory around the UFO phenomenon, it's that kind of thinking that allows us to do a deeper study of this stuff without getting hung up on the mechanistic framework that we're bringing into it.

You know, that, that, you know, Sean is a, an ontological pluralist.

You know, he really, he really maintains that, that deeper, that different structures of reality are coenacted by different structures of selfhood.

And I think that that's been a huge influence to me in, in the way that I, sit with the mystery of this stuff.

That said, lately, it has started coming into focus.