John E. Mack

know,

and authors of The Impossible, John Mack, one of the great original thinkers, you know, chair of the Department of Psychiatry at Harvard.

almost lost his job because he interviewed people who'd had these alien abduction experiences and took them seriously and wrote two very important books about it.

So this is the first time you've put UFOs in the subhead of a book.

So, um, I just, I, I, I find it strange.

And because in the 1990s with John Mack and Whitley Strieber, there was much more of an openness to explore this.

It seems like that door got shut in favor of going deeper into the other door of just plain, you know, craft.

I think so.

I don't know who is.

And these experiencers were not prepared for it in their conscious waking world.

And what I mean by that is, like John Mack talks about dual alien identity, and this is a whole other faction of this phenomenon.

where these people who are abductees possibly might have come from the same planet, dimension, time, space as these beings.

I suppose, uh, well, talk about the, the importance of that.

You know, I, I, I think I've talked to you about this before, the work of John Mack.

I've, I've read his books, and he was a psychiatrist from Harvard who was studying the, uh, abduction phenomena, and he wrote extensively about some of the things we're talking about right here.

And it's not that I wanna ignore it at all because I do see that there is some correlation in the facts between what I've written about and what Mack presented.

Co-authored a book with Jacques Vallée about Trinity, which happened before Roswell.

And she was friends with Philip Corso and John Mack.

And she just knew everybody.

So I'm mentioning like, oh, yeah, I know.

62 drawings of the same craft, the same black-eyed beings, and the same long hair.

In November 1994, Dr. John Mack, a Pulitzer Prize-winning author and professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, flew to Zimbabwe.

Mack was a world-renowned expert in trauma and human psychology.

He interviewed the children extensively, using clinical techniques to detect lying or perhaps fantasy building.

Mass hysteria usually involves physical symptoms, fainting, twitching, etc., It does not produce 62 identical complex telepathic messages about environmental collapse.

Secondly, psychological profiling.

Dr. John Mack's clinical assessment specifically ruled out mass delusion based on the unique individual flavors of each child's account that still pointed to the same core truth.

And the craft.

testimonies, but the, you know, the, you know, the...

NHI abductee accounts from Dr. John Mack and Bud

Hopkins and

Dr. David Jacobs and others.