Santa Fe Institute

you can do it on paper.

That's how it started without any computers, but really what started the whole revolution was Santa Fe Institute, who worked on physics, but then kind of moved with the complexity or the systems thinking outside of physics to social sciences, archaeology being probably the very first social science discipline.

So late 1990s starts the revolution, I'd say.

with growing artificial societies.

Yes, no, no, absolutely.

And so there's a lovely word from this that was, I think, popularized at the Santa Fe Institute called a frozen accident.

And so the idea was there were lots of different ways that things could be, right? There's a big axis of variation.

And then one of those little parts of that space worked really, really well.

I can't speak to that because I wasn't inside his head.

King remembered at the Jinja meeting, the two also talked about the Santa Fe Institute, where Epstein knew prominent Nobel laureate physicist Murray Gellman.

King, who trained as a chemist, was interested in whether I might be able to meet this Nobel Prize winner and curious about the Institute in general.

King never got an introduction to anybody at the Santa Fe Institute from that, he said.

Well, Jeffrey Epstein had serious, serious ties to the Santa Fe Institute and to Murray Gellman.

And when I went to the Santa Fe Institute, they didn't want to talk at all.

They had nothing to say.

In fact, they sent one of their goons to escort me off the campus.

I can't speak to that because I wasn't inside his head.

King remembered at the Jinja meeting, the two also talked about the Santa Fe Institute, where Epstein knew prominent Nobel laureate physicist Murray Gellman.

King, who trained as a chemist, was interested in whether I might be able to meet this Nobel Prize winner and curious about the Institute in general.

King never got an introduction to anybody at the Santa Fe Institute from that, he said.

Well, Jeffrey Epstein had serious, serious ties to the Santa Fe Institute and to Murray Gellman.

And when I went to the Santa Fe Institute, they didn't want to talk at all.

They had nothing to say.

In fact, they sent one of their goons to escort me off the campus.

Right.

And before that, and you still are an external professor at the Santa Fe Institute, but you were, I think, one of the founding members of Santa Fe Institute way back in the day.

Was that 88, 89, something like that? Well,

I was close to being a founder.

I mean, it theoretically started in 84.

But they didn't really do very much until about 86 when I started getting involved.

And before that, you were at Los Alamos, right? So I think Santa Fe Institute's kind of like a spinoff of Los Alamos, right?

Of sorts.

As a practical matter, you cannot actually isolate a human being from their environment.

Sean Carroll, a physicist at John Hopkins and the Santa Fe Institute, wrote by email, Referring to infrared light, he continued, just by breathing and radiating IR light, any macroscopic organism continues their own environment, he added, but I am very forgiving when it comes to TV show science.

In season two, Jason realizes that understanding the box is crucial to keeping his family safe.

But that means disassembling and examining the box itself, which in season one was a black box, as it were.

So why would Jeffrey Epstein buy Zorro Ranch? What did he gain by going to New Mexico? You've been on the ground there.

What did he gain by leveraging New Mexico? Of course, we're the home of the atom bomb, the Department of Defense, Los Alamos National Labs, the Santa Fe Institute.

What did he gain by getting Zorro Ranch?

He decided to buy the ranch in the middle of nowhere.

of the digital and the future research, you know, smart cities and weapons of the future.

It's all this kind of stuff.

And Zorro Ranch is also not far away from Santa Fe Institute, not far away from Los Alamos Institute, not far away from Alamogordo.

And I mean, New Mexico is a special state in the United States.