Criminals Validate New Technologies
Why shady users often lead innovation
Jun 2, 2026 · 43 min · 11 segments
In this episode, Austin chats with Seth (Cake Wallet) about why privacy is gaining traction after years of being niche, tracing Seth’s entry through Monero and other privacy-preserving products. They…
... it's one of these things where investing in privacy has historically been a mistake.
And, and for mo- you know, I'm, I'm 35.
For most of my life, the trend in internet companies and internet-connected things has been give us a bunch of data, we'll give you a free product.
Mm-hmm
Like, that's mined for data constantly.
That's mined for data.
Uh, it seems like everywhere except maybe crypto, and maybe exception of Signal, but still, like, Signal's really only a bunch of us weirdos.
Yeah, I think the...
I mean, there's a lot to unpack there.
Yeah.
I think over the last decade since I first started getting interested in privacy, the landscape has changed a lot.
Um, so I'll, I'll, I'll give a little bit of my story, and then I'll start to unpack a little bit more.
But so I really...
I, I landed in the, the broader digital privacy space because of cryptocurrency actually.
Um, I came just like everybody else.
I, I wanted to, to make money, get rich quick.
... it's one of these things where investing in privacy has historically been a mistake.
And, and for mo- you know, I'm, I'm 35.
For most of my life, the trend in internet companies and internet-connected things has been give us a bunch of data, we'll give you a free product.
Mm-hmm
Like, that's mined for data constantly.
That's mined for data.
Uh, it seems like everywhere except maybe crypto, and maybe exception of Signal, but still, like, Signal's really only a bunch of us weirdos.
Yeah, I think the...
I mean, there's a lot to unpack there.
Yeah.
I think over the last decade since I first started getting interested in privacy, the landscape has changed a lot.
Um, so I'll, I'll, I'll give a little bit of my story, and then I'll start to unpack a little bit more.
But so I really...
I, I landed in the, the broader digital privacy space because of cryptocurrency actually.
Um, I came just like everybody else.
I, I wanted to, to make money, get rich quick.
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