Recyclist Podcast: Fire Rover's Dogged Approach w Ryan Fogelman

And when you say something's going to hockey stick, what do you mean by that? So

in the beginning with like, so if you think personal storage, personal electronics, like we as the public, right, we demanded more and more of these batteries, right? I have three of them in my Apple earbuds, right? You know, you have your phone, you have all these things, right? I mean, they're in

everything.

I probably have a couple dozen within 20 feet of me right now.

A hundred percent.

Like I always joke and I mean, I'm always like I have I have 20 on me in my person at any one time.

Right.

A charger or this or that with your bag.

And so, you know, the reality is, is that like in two, it started about 2010.

Right.

I think around when the Apple iPhone came out and we started seeing end of life and end of life was about five years later because electronics were used more.

They were less disposable than they are now.

Right.

So as we've seen over the past 10 years, we've seen end of life get bigger, bigger, bigger.

And like if you go in, I mean, you know, it's it's not secret.

Like if you go in and you say, I want to see the projected forecast of lithium ion batteries and personal storage and personal electronics.

Because, again, EVs are a completely different animal, right? They're kind of like the lead-acid battery.

You know, 97% of them are actually recycled, and it's a closed-loop supply chain, right? I mean, unless they blow up on a car.

Like, what we're worried about are, you know, the personal storage, personal electronics.

It's the balloons that have these little lights in them, and, you know, they all have a lithium-ion battery in it or anything that's rechargeable, anything that's rechargeable, which is pretty much a lot of stuff, right?

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I've had the conversation with several people at Swanna with like gift cards has come up a couple times, like lithium ion batteries in novelty gift cards.

And a weirdly hotbed topic right now is apparently vape pens, disposable vape pens.

You even, you know, you talk about the report that you do.

I didn't even realize like that.