Jul 5, 2026 · 47 min · 16 segments
Can America last?As the United States celebrates its 250th anniversary, Americans find themselves asking difficult questions. Is this a time for celebration or reflection? Is democracy stronger than…
Denny HeckGuest
Hans ZeigerGuest
Philip LindholmHost
Well, it's a time for both celebration and what I would call a reflection on our past.

We can reflect back on the mistakes we've made, and we've made our share, and some of them were pretty egregious.

But it's also a time for celebration, for celebrating this incredibly radical idea that the founders came forward with, 250 years ago, which, by the way, we officially called a semi-quincentennial.

among my other responsibilities, I chair the state's semi-quincentennial commission.

And it was, of course, in the Declaration of Independence, to borrow words from the American historian Walter Isaacson, that the most important sentence ever written appeared.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.

It is not possible, Dr. Lindholm, it is not possible to exaggerate how revolutionary of an idea that sentence was for its time.

Hans, as a leader of a civics organization that really is making a profound impact in America, how do you think about those words, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Yeah, I just think it is so important to ground what I do think should be a celebration in those words.

Those are words that we have not always lived up to in the course of our country's history, but that we can still refer back to.

These are reference points for a politics of dignity, which has not been the way of things in most of human history.

And we can say those words that Denny just quoted can be the the real gold standard for what our politics ought to be, for our engagement with one another, for our sense that each and every human being is dignified and entitled to give consent to be governed.

And that's something that we come back to time and time again at pivotal periods in our country's history.

Well, it's a time for both celebration and what I would call a reflection on our past.

We can reflect back on the mistakes we've made, and we've made our share, and some of them were pretty egregious.

But it's also a time for celebration, for celebrating this incredibly radical idea that the founders came forward with, 250 years ago, which, by the way, we officially called a semi-quincentennial.

among my other responsibilities, I chair the state's semi-quincentennial commission.

And it was, of course, in the Declaration of Independence, to borrow words from the American historian Walter Isaacson, that the most important sentence ever written appeared.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.

It is not possible, Dr. Lindholm, it is not possible to exaggerate how revolutionary of an idea that sentence was for its time.

Hans, as a leader of a civics organization that really is making a profound impact in America, how do you think about those words, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?

Yeah, I just think it is so important to ground what I do think should be a celebration in those words.

Those are words that we have not always lived up to in the course of our country's history, but that we can still refer back to.

These are reference points for a politics of dignity, which has not been the way of things in most of human history.

And we can say those words that Denny just quoted can be the the real gold standard for what our politics ought to be, for our engagement with one another, for our sense that each and every human being is dignified and entitled to give consent to be governed.

And that's something that we come back to time and time again at pivotal periods in our country's history.
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