Aug 22, 2026 · 1 hr 14 min · 14 segments
What if the difference between a business that stalls and one that scales past $100M isn't talent or budget, but whether you build your team the way elite sports teams build theirs? In this episode…
Kevin Mark-WattsGuest
Paul AvinsHost
One, for leaders with people in teams, which is sometimes you just put the wrong person in the wrong role.

And the way I would hear what you're saying is you finally found your flow, right? Somewhere where you could do what you do naturally.

You can apply it in a way that actually adds tremendous value to the business and generates revenue.

And going to a technical college with your kind of profile, I'd go, well, that doesn't make sense now.

Because we don't understand ourselves very well at that age, and nobody helps us understand ourselves very well, we end up trying to conform to what other people has worked for them, what's worked for them.

But also what's worked for them, right? It's their model who worked for them, you know, go to college, that's fine.

Whereas actually, you know, sometimes the best thing, you know, if you've got a different, if your profile is different, it's like, go out and do the thing that lights you up.

And if talking lights you up, then go, how can I make money doing that? Because actually, I won't, that will be a job I will enjoy and therefore thrive in, right? I

So what did you learn about selling in retail? Because I think selling in retail is one of the best like sort of grounding experiences to learn how to sell.

Listening skills and observation, really, because the very simple basic school of selling is I'm in a suit shop, income, husband and wife.

And I'm immediately sussing out, right, of these two, am I charming him or am I charming the wife? Because who's going to be the one that makes the decision? And quite often it ended up being the wife, I have to say.

So all my attention, he's in the changing room putting the suit on and I'm charming the wife and warming that up and making sure she's on side.

And so naturally he comes out and she goes, oh, wow, that looks brilliant.

It's done, isn't it? So he was listening, understanding people's body language.

One, for leaders with people in teams, which is sometimes you just put the wrong person in the wrong role.

And the way I would hear what you're saying is you finally found your flow, right? Somewhere where you could do what you do naturally.

You can apply it in a way that actually adds tremendous value to the business and generates revenue.

And going to a technical college with your kind of profile, I'd go, well, that doesn't make sense now.

Because we don't understand ourselves very well at that age, and nobody helps us understand ourselves very well, we end up trying to conform to what other people has worked for them, what's worked for them.

But also what's worked for them, right? It's their model who worked for them, you know, go to college, that's fine.

Whereas actually, you know, sometimes the best thing, you know, if you've got a different, if your profile is different, it's like, go out and do the thing that lights you up.

And if talking lights you up, then go, how can I make money doing that? Because actually, I won't, that will be a job I will enjoy and therefore thrive in, right? I

So what did you learn about selling in retail? Because I think selling in retail is one of the best like sort of grounding experiences to learn how to sell.

Listening skills and observation, really, because the very simple basic school of selling is I'm in a suit shop, income, husband and wife.

And I'm immediately sussing out, right, of these two, am I charming him or am I charming the wife? Because who's going to be the one that makes the decision? And quite often it ended up being the wife, I have to say.

So all my attention, he's in the changing room putting the suit on and I'm charming the wife and warming that up and making sure she's on side.

And so naturally he comes out and she goes, oh, wow, that looks brilliant.

It's done, isn't it? So he was listening, understanding people's body language.
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