The Behavioral Observations Podcast with Matt Cicoria
Jun 30, 2026 · 1 hr 24 min · 20 segments
Many behavior analysts have experienced the frustration of teaching a skill successfully in one setting only to discover that it doesn't transfer to the situations where it actually matters. In this…
Emily Beal WilkinsonGuestMatt CicoriaHostUh, I realize I, because the three of us are familiar, you guys obviously way more than I am, but I, you know, have a, you know, some bit of knowledge on, on the curriculum.
So I think one of the things we probably should spend a minute on is just telling people what it, you know, and again, this is not an EFL infomercial.
But ha- having said all that, what, what is EFL and what it-- why, why is it different than perhaps some of these other approaches that, that you were struggling with? So let's just give like the-- let's get everyone on the same page here before we-- this is-- I don't wanna interrupt your story-
Yeah.Yeah, I mean, EFL is both a curriculum and an as-assessment and a curriculum with quality of life at the center.
So all the goals in it you're gonna see are most essential for programming towards quality of life, organized to help you prioritize with learners.
So it's organized in a group of must-have skills, should have skills, nice to have skills, good to have skills.
But something that the authors themselves will also say is it's up to you as the practitioner to know your learner, to use your clinical judgment, and it's not a, a list of skills that you do in order.
So prioritizing yourself, choosing what-- There's thousands of skills, so you have to choose what is relevant for the person you're teaching.
And there-- In the manual, it is written, and we'll get more into talking about that everything should be taught in context.
Obviously, Dr. McGreevy, his mentors, Peter Gerhardt, people like that, that are talking about, you know, essential skills, meaningful skills, functional skills, whatever you wanna call them, need to be taught in the context that you're gonna need the skills.
Uh, I realize I, because the three of us are familiar, you guys obviously way more than I am, but I, you know, have a, you know, some bit of knowledge on, on the curriculum.
So I think one of the things we probably should spend a minute on is just telling people what it, you know, and again, this is not an EFL infomercial.
But ha- having said all that, what, what is EFL and what it-- why, why is it different than perhaps some of these other approaches that, that you were struggling with? So let's just give like the-- let's get everyone on the same page here before we-- this is-- I don't wanna interrupt your story-
Yeah.Yeah, I mean, EFL is both a curriculum and an as-assessment and a curriculum with quality of life at the center.
So all the goals in it you're gonna see are most essential for programming towards quality of life, organized to help you prioritize with learners.
So it's organized in a group of must-have skills, should have skills, nice to have skills, good to have skills.
But something that the authors themselves will also say is it's up to you as the practitioner to know your learner, to use your clinical judgment, and it's not a, a list of skills that you do in order.
So prioritizing yourself, choosing what-- There's thousands of skills, so you have to choose what is relevant for the person you're teaching.
And there-- In the manual, it is written, and we'll get more into talking about that everything should be taught in context.
Obviously, Dr. McGreevy, his mentors, Peter Gerhardt, people like that, that are talking about, you know, essential skills, meaningful skills, functional skills, whatever you wanna call them, need to be taught in the context that you're gonna need the skills.
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