Sep 13, 2026 · 23 min · 8 segments
Circular supply chains do not scale on corporate pilots alone. They require enabling policy: state-level incentives, workforce alignment, environmental regulation, capital pathways, and cross-border…
James KenneyGuest
Sherry HinishHost
Manuel Carmona YebraGuest
John HolmGuest
I'd love to pause and just get reactions, reflections from John and Secretary Kinney around readiness, around all of the things that Manuel shared.

I'll jump in, having the privilege of working with Manolo for the last couple of years.

I think there is a real appetite for the first time since I've been in sustainability where you see an opportunity really at the policy lens to do something big.

to really start putting together a play for stewarding the planet and economic development.

Now, where is the economic value of that? We actually really need to reuse this material over and over again because, you know, it's not infinite.

We can actually use the materials we've already extracted and spent the money on and just reuse them again.

The question is, how fast it will, who's going to get there first, and who's going to set up that enabling environment to protect first and foremost, the citizens of those communities, the ones that are sitting there in those spaces, really to be ready to be contributing to this kind of new emerging idea.

Yeah, and I'd love to get Secretary Kenney's perspective here because, again, I'm still coming back to, are there any parts of the model that's clearly working in New Mexico that are replicable? Is there a sector-specific focus? Does it have to be place-specific? What can people really sink their teeth into now, no matter where they sit in the U.S.?

And I think listening to, you know, your other guests talk about how they're working in this space.

You know, I'll start with state government is fundamentally a problem solving space.

And I think when you think about states as being the laboratory of incubating that policy.

that I hear about from my colleagues nationally, when what we're doing in a rural town in New Mexico has a lasting effect for the European Union, right? Like you start seeing the connective tissue between all of these policies and how they can scale.

As one of the US's largest oil and gas producing states in the country, when we think about textiles and sort of those synthetic fabrics, why are we thinking about circular economy only around textiles? Where's the producer responsibility that goes back from that polyester textile all the way back to that oil and gas well? I mean, that's some circularity, right? And why are carbon emissions not thought of as circular? Why do we only think of the physicality of a product as being circular? So why does gas emissions get a pass on circularity but physical products don't.

And I think, and don't is the wrong way to say it, but are lifted up by circular economy.

So I think sinking your teeth into where does one begin, right? We learn as we go.

I'd love to pause and just get reactions, reflections from John and Secretary Kinney around readiness, around all of the things that Manuel shared.

I'll jump in, having the privilege of working with Manolo for the last couple of years.

I think there is a real appetite for the first time since I've been in sustainability where you see an opportunity really at the policy lens to do something big.

to really start putting together a play for stewarding the planet and economic development.

Now, where is the economic value of that? We actually really need to reuse this material over and over again because, you know, it's not infinite.

We can actually use the materials we've already extracted and spent the money on and just reuse them again.

The question is, how fast it will, who's going to get there first, and who's going to set up that enabling environment to protect first and foremost, the citizens of those communities, the ones that are sitting there in those spaces, really to be ready to be contributing to this kind of new emerging idea.

Yeah, and I'd love to get Secretary Kenney's perspective here because, again, I'm still coming back to, are there any parts of the model that's clearly working in New Mexico that are replicable? Is there a sector-specific focus? Does it have to be place-specific? What can people really sink their teeth into now, no matter where they sit in the U.S.?

And I think listening to, you know, your other guests talk about how they're working in this space.

You know, I'll start with state government is fundamentally a problem solving space.

And I think when you think about states as being the laboratory of incubating that policy.

that I hear about from my colleagues nationally, when what we're doing in a rural town in New Mexico has a lasting effect for the European Union, right? Like you start seeing the connective tissue between all of these policies and how they can scale.

As one of the US's largest oil and gas producing states in the country, when we think about textiles and sort of those synthetic fabrics, why are we thinking about circular economy only around textiles? Where's the producer responsibility that goes back from that polyester textile all the way back to that oil and gas well? I mean, that's some circularity, right? And why are carbon emissions not thought of as circular? Why do we only think of the physicality of a product as being circular? So why does gas emissions get a pass on circularity but physical products don't.

And I think, and don't is the wrong way to say it, but are lifted up by circular economy.

So I think sinking your teeth into where does one begin, right? We learn as we go.
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