Oct 2, 2026 · 35 min · 13 segments
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Humza YousafGuestLaura MillerHostAt the moment, the ICJ is looking into the question of whether a genocide is going on there.
The UK government have sort of hardened their position in the sense that the Foreign Secretary has said that it looks more likely that war crimes have taken place.
Let me add some further context to the context that you add, because I understand why you have to add that context.
It's worth saying that the ICJ process around genocide will take years until there's actually a decision.
But the weight of evidence from the likes of the International Association of Genocide Scholars, so the globally recognised body of genocide experts, so not me, not you, but the real experts here, say that genocide is taking place, UN commissions.
Equally, of course, as you say, well, not equally, there are some voices, but not as expert as those voices.
If I was committing a genocide, I would deny it because the punishment for genocide should be as severe as it gets.
Benjamin Netanyahu, although there's elections at the moment... you know, leader of Israel is wanted for not just war crimes, but crimes against humanity, including using starvation as a weapon of war.
The reason I'm saying that is not to kind of counteract what you were saying, is to say that, I talk about this in the book, that to me, one of the great tragedies of what we've witnessed in the last few years, first and foremost, of course, is the number of people that have been killed and harmed.
But the secondary aspect that causes me such grief is that the last two years have made it abundantly clear that some lives do not matter or are not as equal.
This idea that all lives are equal, I'm afraid, is an illusion, clearly, that has been shattered because of what's happened in the last few years.
My question is, why does Israel not get treated the same way when their leader also has an ICC arrest warrant for them? And by the Foreign Secretary's own admission in the House of Commons a few weeks ago, Israel is now recognised as an occupying force.
And I think that disparity of how people are treated makes many people think, well, is our blood, so Muslim blood or Palestinian blood, is it cheaper than European blood, for example? I think that's a difficult question because, to me, the answer is obvious, but it's...
And what I will say about the Foreign Secretary, you know, being full of praise for Ed Miliband for the action he's taken, which may sound unusual coming from an SNP politician, but I think he deserves praise because he has admitted whether the UK government were wrong.
He said as much during his conference speech, you know, for all those that were angered at the intolerable suffering of the Palestinians, you were right, we were wrong.
At the moment, the ICJ is looking into the question of whether a genocide is going on there.
The UK government have sort of hardened their position in the sense that the Foreign Secretary has said that it looks more likely that war crimes have taken place.
Let me add some further context to the context that you add, because I understand why you have to add that context.
It's worth saying that the ICJ process around genocide will take years until there's actually a decision.
But the weight of evidence from the likes of the International Association of Genocide Scholars, so the globally recognised body of genocide experts, so not me, not you, but the real experts here, say that genocide is taking place, UN commissions.
Equally, of course, as you say, well, not equally, there are some voices, but not as expert as those voices.
If I was committing a genocide, I would deny it because the punishment for genocide should be as severe as it gets.
Benjamin Netanyahu, although there's elections at the moment... you know, leader of Israel is wanted for not just war crimes, but crimes against humanity, including using starvation as a weapon of war.
The reason I'm saying that is not to kind of counteract what you were saying, is to say that, I talk about this in the book, that to me, one of the great tragedies of what we've witnessed in the last few years, first and foremost, of course, is the number of people that have been killed and harmed.
But the secondary aspect that causes me such grief is that the last two years have made it abundantly clear that some lives do not matter or are not as equal.
This idea that all lives are equal, I'm afraid, is an illusion, clearly, that has been shattered because of what's happened in the last few years.
My question is, why does Israel not get treated the same way when their leader also has an ICC arrest warrant for them? And by the Foreign Secretary's own admission in the House of Commons a few weeks ago, Israel is now recognised as an occupying force.
And I think that disparity of how people are treated makes many people think, well, is our blood, so Muslim blood or Palestinian blood, is it cheaper than European blood, for example? I think that's a difficult question because, to me, the answer is obvious, but it's...
And what I will say about the Foreign Secretary, you know, being full of praise for Ed Miliband for the action he's taken, which may sound unusual coming from an SNP politician, but I think he deserves praise because he has admitted whether the UK government were wrong.
He said as much during his conference speech, you know, for all those that were angered at the intolerable suffering of the Palestinians, you were right, we were wrong.
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