Sep 28, 2026 · 37 min · 11 segments
What does it actually mean to be a person “after God’s own heart”? In this special dialogue episode of *The Collective Table*, co-lead pastors Jason and Jenell Coker reflect on the conclusion of the…
Jenell CokerHostSo, Janelle, in our opening discussion about this series where we kind of introduced what we were going to do and how we were going to teach on this topic, you expressed some real moral outrage over how the story of David is handled and how that phrase, David being a man after God's own heart, is misused.
And in that dialogue that we had, you kind of just left that hanging there, right? Like you were really angry and did not resolve that for us.
you know, maybe you should like
Number one, have you worked it out? Have you resolved that? And number two, do you think it's our job to resolve these kinds of tensions for a church like this?

Another was from a visitor that was like, I don't know, maybe like as a minister, it's really your responsibility to have some of these emotions worked out before you go up front.

But I also will answer, as ministers, I do think that we need to be careful that if there's some kind of thing that we're grappling with around disbelief that we think is going to cause somebody severe harm or turmoil within themselves, sometimes we keep it to ourselves.
Hmm.

But I will also say that I think that if I am ever up here and have said, I've totally worked it all out, that that would be ridiculous.

And anybody who stands up here and behaves as if they've worked it all out is delusional.
So, Janelle, in our opening discussion about this series where we kind of introduced what we were going to do and how we were going to teach on this topic, you expressed some real moral outrage over how the story of David is handled and how that phrase, David being a man after God's own heart, is misused.
And in that dialogue that we had, you kind of just left that hanging there, right? Like you were really angry and did not resolve that for us.
you know, maybe you should like
Number one, have you worked it out? Have you resolved that? And number two, do you think it's our job to resolve these kinds of tensions for a church like this?

Another was from a visitor that was like, I don't know, maybe like as a minister, it's really your responsibility to have some of these emotions worked out before you go up front.

But I also will answer, as ministers, I do think that we need to be careful that if there's some kind of thing that we're grappling with around disbelief that we think is going to cause somebody severe harm or turmoil within themselves, sometimes we keep it to ourselves.
Hmm.

But I will also say that I think that if I am ever up here and have said, I've totally worked it all out, that that would be ridiculous.

And anybody who stands up here and behaves as if they've worked it all out is delusional.
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