Sep 20, 2026 · 51 min · 12 segments
Pulling it all together, Lessig asks his high school friend Ben Hepburn: How can you defend this? Listen to the conversation, and the common ground that gets built. (As explained in Episode 1, this…
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And I just wanted to pull it together a bit and come back to the sense that I had when I drove out to Williamsport before the election to come to my high school reunion, which I'd never done before, to find somebody, particularly you, to ask this question, how the hell could you support this guy?
You know, this guy is behaving like a mob boss in the sense that he's making illegal threats to force people to do what he wants them to do.
So we just had a judge look at the threats against Perkins Coie and say these were completely illegal violations of the Constitution.
He's like saying he's going to cancel the nonprofit status of Harvard University.
He has no legal authority to cancel the nonprofit status, but he's just doing it to try to force them to do what he wants them to do.
CBS is going to agree to pay him money because he disagrees with how they edited an interview of Kamala Harris.
The Constitution actually absolutely would forbid him from doing that, but he's threatening them and he's forcing these people to cave in the face of his threats.
It was going to help some industries, like the steel industry was going to be benefited by these tariffs.
And I just wanted to pull it together a bit and come back to the sense that I had when I drove out to Williamsport before the election to come to my high school reunion, which I'd never done before, to find somebody, particularly you, to ask this question, how the hell could you support this guy?
You know, this guy is behaving like a mob boss in the sense that he's making illegal threats to force people to do what he wants them to do.
So we just had a judge look at the threats against Perkins Coie and say these were completely illegal violations of the Constitution.
He's like saying he's going to cancel the nonprofit status of Harvard University.
He has no legal authority to cancel the nonprofit status, but he's just doing it to try to force them to do what he wants them to do.
CBS is going to agree to pay him money because he disagrees with how they edited an interview of Kamala Harris.
The Constitution actually absolutely would forbid him from doing that, but he's threatening them and he's forcing these people to cave in the face of his threats.
It was going to help some industries, like the steel industry was going to be benefited by these tariffs.
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