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Ben Hepburn

Ben Hepburn, Lawrence Lessig's high school friend, guest on Lessig's Left Right/Another Way podcast where they seek common ground across political divides.

Sep 20, 2026

19:44
Prices are going up.
19:47
I get that.
19:48
It's like everything, though, Larry.
19:50
It does take time for the prices to come down and go up and all that stuff.
19:54
And it's not just his administration.
19:58
And I remember you telling me that when a president takes over, it's truly the last president that ran things.
20:06
And it lingers for a while.

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54:30
And as, you know, concerned as one might be about who plays on school, high school sports teams, it's nowhere in the top problems we've got to face and solve as a nation, right? I
9:53
Yeah.
9:53
Right.
9:54
Because, you know, people are getting away even in the agriculture community.
9:58
They're getting away from certain things because it is more expensive and everything seems to be specialized now.
10:06
Right.
10:07
And, you know, and that's what's going on and bigger.
10:10
Everything's getting bigger.

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31:08
So how is this a rational policy? How does this make sense? Well,
1:46
What are you thinking right now? About? Well, we got to, you know, what are you thinking about our president?
1:54
Well, you know, I...
1:57
Obviously, there's a lot of things going on.
2:01
I guess the way I look at it, Larry, and I'll be honest with you, I've been staying off a lot of the news feeds.
2:07
I've been trying to just look at different things, get a little better sense of it.
2:14
One of my sons is in the military and he's in intelligence and interrogation.
2:18
And he says, half the stuff you see on TV is not even true.

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34:13
So I think that troubles me, and I wonder whether that troubles you.
7:10
But so why aren't you insane about those things now?
7:14
Well, Larry...
7:16
I guess I feel like it's politics.
7:19
And again, you're giving me facts or your information that I really am not as privileged to, I guess, or I feel like it's easy for me to do that in the midst of my life when I'm working, sleeping, preparing meals, living a life.
7:39
And I get it.
7:39
This is your thing, so to speak.
7:42
And I get that.

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19:50
Like, you agree, right? That's bullshit.
43:41
to the jokes, but –
43:42
No, I certainly agree with you.
43:44
I mean, you know, I'm not against some of this stuff.
43:49
But, you know, Larry, I keep thinking about our conversations, and I keep thinking you and I are very close in the way we think and different things like that.
43:59
And I think...
44:01
It's because maybe we're just, I'm just educated enough.
44:04
You're more than educated in what you do.

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55:25
But that's a double reason why you should at least get due process before you throw somebody into the worst prison in the

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