Oct 17, 2026 · 40 min · 13 segments
On “Katie Pavlich Tonight,” we break down the real issue behind questions swirling about new White House Press Secretary Katie Zacharia. New reports show that Special Counsel Jack Smith collected…
Katie PavlichHost
Catherine HerridgeGuest
Corbin TrentGuestJ.B. McCuskeyGuest
Nathan SalesGuestThea WoldGuestRandy ZelenGuest
Jesse WeberShow Co-HostHost
What's happening right now, the Bend, Oregon community is gathering for a vigil after a heartbreaking and senseless shooting at an elementary school that took the lives of three children and one teacher today.
We have crews arriving to the scene any minute and we'll bring you there for a live report as soon as we can.
But back in Washington, a rocky first week for new White House press secretary Katie Zachariah continues to unfold with growing questions about the resume she used to gain prominence and ultimately land the job.
Specifically at issue is her use of the terms lawyer and attorney to describe herself.
despite not passing the California bar exam after graduating from Pepperdine Law School in 2011.
Some people use attorney and lawyer interchangeably, while others say not every lawyer is an attorney and the title of attorney only belongs to those who have passed the bar exam and are licensed to represent clients.
As for Zachariah, her LinkedIn states she worked for a time as general counsel for the group Fix California, and reviews of her social media show that she shared at least 15 posts in which she identified as an attorney.
Zachariah also used the term lawyer to describe herself and in multiple interviews did not correct the record when she was introduced as an attorney.
And when President Trump announced Zachariah as the new White House press secretary, he too labeled her an attorney.
for a very long time.
Many people in the field, is it okay and acceptable if I label myself lawyer, not attorney at law, not Katie Zachariah Esquire, but lawyer, and provide legal analysis, not legal advice? And they said, absolutely, across the board.
You can call yourself a lawyer.
One of the people she says she consulted with was the president of Pepperdine University.
We reached out to confirm this detail, but a spokesman from the university said it does not comment on private conversations.
The White House, meanwhile, says Katie is a fabulous and wonderful addition to the team who is uniquely qualified and whip smart to help inform the American people.
What's not normal is failing the bar and then claiming to be a lawyer or attorney to get on television.
It's unethical, and it's also illegal in some states, including California, where a complaint has now been filed with the state bar.
What's more, lying by omission to the president of the United States about your resume to land a job.
is a pretty big deal, especially when it means the president then repeats your prior claims, assuming you can be trusted and that your title is correct.
What's happening right now, the Bend, Oregon community is gathering for a vigil after a heartbreaking and senseless shooting at an elementary school that took the lives of three children and one teacher today.
We have crews arriving to the scene any minute and we'll bring you there for a live report as soon as we can.
But back in Washington, a rocky first week for new White House press secretary Katie Zachariah continues to unfold with growing questions about the resume she used to gain prominence and ultimately land the job.
Specifically at issue is her use of the terms lawyer and attorney to describe herself.
despite not passing the California bar exam after graduating from Pepperdine Law School in 2011.
Some people use attorney and lawyer interchangeably, while others say not every lawyer is an attorney and the title of attorney only belongs to those who have passed the bar exam and are licensed to represent clients.
As for Zachariah, her LinkedIn states she worked for a time as general counsel for the group Fix California, and reviews of her social media show that she shared at least 15 posts in which she identified as an attorney.
Zachariah also used the term lawyer to describe herself and in multiple interviews did not correct the record when she was introduced as an attorney.
And when President Trump announced Zachariah as the new White House press secretary, he too labeled her an attorney.
for a very long time.
Many people in the field, is it okay and acceptable if I label myself lawyer, not attorney at law, not Katie Zachariah Esquire, but lawyer, and provide legal analysis, not legal advice? And they said, absolutely, across the board.
You can call yourself a lawyer.
One of the people she says she consulted with was the president of Pepperdine University.
We reached out to confirm this detail, but a spokesman from the university said it does not comment on private conversations.
The White House, meanwhile, says Katie is a fabulous and wonderful addition to the team who is uniquely qualified and whip smart to help inform the American people.
What's not normal is failing the bar and then claiming to be a lawyer or attorney to get on television.
It's unethical, and it's also illegal in some states, including California, where a complaint has now been filed with the state bar.
What's more, lying by omission to the president of the United States about your resume to land a job.
is a pretty big deal, especially when it means the president then repeats your prior claims, assuming you can be trusted and that your title is correct.
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