So, Thea, first to you, what do you make of the situation and whether there was a line crossed here with the parsing of lawyer and attorney?

Yeah, I mean, great question, Katie.

I think what you mentioned at the end is really the most operative thesis here, which is it's a real unfortunate distraction from the president's closing message in these midterm elections.

It's an unfortunate distraction.

I will say, if I understand the chronology correctly, I sat for the same exact bar exam summer of 2011, that's the year I graduated from law school, in the state of California.

I passed that exam.

But I'll say, look, the distinction between lawyer and attorney, that's not really the question here.

And what's wrong with just saying, I have a JD and I didn't pass the bar and I have no intention of taking it again?