Fortune's Wheel: A Podcast History of Our Medieval Story
Jun 11, 2026 · 44 min · 10 segments
**SEASON 8**: The First Crusade **EPISODE 211:** Holy City, Unholy Slaughter Standing at the walls, a behemoth task was about to unfold: After four long years and thousands of miles traveled in some…
In the third week of June, Robert of Flanders and Robert Curdhose both returned with the first of what would be a fairly steady stream of camel trains loaded with distant lumber.
It seems that, says Thomas Aspridge, Raymond's high-handed behavior had evidently begun to alienate even his closest allies.
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Crusader loyalties weren't just shifting, though.
Right when all the leaders should have been banding together for one last push to achieve their ultimate goal, they once again fell into quarreling.
And one question took center stage.
Who should rule once the city was taken? That's it.
The question lingered.
Well, a better word for it would be festered, actually, as the task at hand, the task of actually taking the city, was put first, as it should have been.
but it was a huge question to ask.
Pope Urban II never said what they should do with Jerusalem once they recaptured it.
Urban only said that they should take it.
But then what? Would one of the liberators assume control of the city? Would power return to Constantinople? Should the people of Jerusalem be given the power of self-governance? Should Jerusalem have itself a king? Should Jerusalem revert back to Eastern Orthodox as it was when it was under Roman control previously? Or should it be run by the Latins? Even the Pope himself? So the measure of success in the First Crusade extended far beyond merely kicking the Muslims out of the city.
But again, the first step was to actually take the city.
So, for the next three weeks, into the first week of July, everyone became laser-focused on building the necessary siege engines.
This is not meant to dunk on Raymond of Toulouse, who was still a warrior in his own right, willing to give himself fully into a battle if necessary.
But he was, if you remember, over 50 years old, and not exactly up to as much manual labor as those younger guys.
Though understandable, it was yet another difference the men saw in their leaders.
In the third week of June, Robert of Flanders and Robert Curdhose both returned with the first of what would be a fairly steady stream of camel trains loaded with distant lumber.
It seems that, says Thomas Aspridge, Raymond's high-handed behavior had evidently begun to alienate even his closest allies.
End quote.
Crusader loyalties weren't just shifting, though.
Right when all the leaders should have been banding together for one last push to achieve their ultimate goal, they once again fell into quarreling.
And one question took center stage.
Who should rule once the city was taken? That's it.
The question lingered.
Well, a better word for it would be festered, actually, as the task at hand, the task of actually taking the city, was put first, as it should have been.
but it was a huge question to ask.
Pope Urban II never said what they should do with Jerusalem once they recaptured it.
Urban only said that they should take it.
But then what? Would one of the liberators assume control of the city? Would power return to Constantinople? Should the people of Jerusalem be given the power of self-governance? Should Jerusalem have itself a king? Should Jerusalem revert back to Eastern Orthodox as it was when it was under Roman control previously? Or should it be run by the Latins? Even the Pope himself? So the measure of success in the First Crusade extended far beyond merely kicking the Muslims out of the city.
But again, the first step was to actually take the city.
So, for the next three weeks, into the first week of July, everyone became laser-focused on building the necessary siege engines.
This is not meant to dunk on Raymond of Toulouse, who was still a warrior in his own right, willing to give himself fully into a battle if necessary.
But he was, if you remember, over 50 years old, and not exactly up to as much manual labor as those younger guys.
Though understandable, it was yet another difference the men saw in their leaders.
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