How To Raise Investment For Your Consumer Brand Without Losing Control! Phil Hails-Smith, Joelson (Part 2)

How should founders value an early-stage consumer brand, negotiate with investors and raise capital without giving away more of the company than they intended?  In this second part of my conversation with Phil Hails-Smith, Managing Partner at Joelson, we move from founder equity into investment, valuation and the legal foundations required to scale a CPG brand. Phil explains why private-company valuation is an art rather than a science, how SEIS and EIS can support early fundraising, and why an ambitious valuation can create painful dilution if the business later misses its plan. We also discuss responsible AI policies, investor due diligence, change-of-control clauses and why owning every element of your intellectual property can determine whether an eventual sale completes. **What You’ll Learn** - How SEIS and EIS can help early-stage founders attract investment. - What investors consider when valuing a pre-revenue or early-revenue consumer brand. - Why raising at too high a valuation can cost founders more equity later. - What a scaling company should include in its AI policy. - How contracts and intellectual-property ownership affect an eventual exit. **Key Topics Discussed** - Moving from founder equity into external investment - SEIS and EIS tax incentives - Raising an initial seed round - Valuing pre-revenue and early-revenue consumer businesses - Revenue multiples and future growth potential - Why valuation is an art rather than a science - Balancing company valuation against founder dilution - The dangers of raising at an unsustainable valuation - Down rounds and the effect on founder ownership - Changes in investor appetite for consumer and CPG brands - Why defensible physical products may appeal to investors - Responsible company use of AI - Protecting confidential and personal information - Controlling which AI tools employees can use - Preparing for private equity or strategic acquisition - Reviewing customer and supplier contracts - Change-of-control provisions - Making sure the company owns its brand assets - The Innocent logo dispute and the importance of intellectual property - Why unresolved legal issues can delay or jeopardise a sale **Useful links** https://joelsonlaw.com/ **Like this episode?** PLEASE share the love by sharing this episode with another founder building a challenger brand, a colleague or a mate who loves brilliant non-alcoholic drinks, or anyone trying to work out how to build a sharper, more focused growth model. Don't forget to FOLLOW or SUBSCRIBE to Brand Growth Heroes on your favourite podcast app, and even LEAVE A REVIEW - both of these actions make a MASSIVE difference to our mission to help more founders just like you. Join our community Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/brandgrowthheroes) LinkedIn (https://www.linkedin.com/company/brand-growth-heroes/?viewAsMember=true) Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/@brandgrowthheroes) Find out more about the programmes and courses Fiona runs here (https://www.brandgrowthheroes.com/mini-mba-2026) Join the NextGen CPG WhatsApp group for founders leaning in to the value that a leadership approach to engaging with AI can unlock for businesses like yours. **\*\** Thanks to Brand Growth Heroes’ podcast sponsor — Joelson, the commercial law firm \*\*\*** If you're a founder, you already know how much energy goes into building the perfect product, creating standout branding and connecting with consumers. But scaling a CPG business also brings legal complexities that can make or break your growth journey - from contracts and regulatory compliance to protecting your intellectual property. That’s why we’re proud to partner with Joelson, the leading commercial law firm specialising in helping founders of scaling consumer brands. Joelson works with brands like Little Moons, Trip, Eat Natural, Bear Graze and Pulsin, and advised the innocent founders on their landmark sale to Coca-Cola - and still work with them at JamJar Investments today! Joelson is offering a FREE LEGAL CONSULTATION to all BGH listeners (https://joelsonlaw.com/contact/) - we highly recommend you take them up on it! **Credits** Thanks to our Sound Engineer Gyp Buggane at Ballagroove.com and the entire Brand Growth Heroes team.