Oct 13, 2026 · 1 hr 6 min · 15 segments
A week after an ANC committee chair floated treason and suggested stripping critics of their citizenship, Corné Mulder joked that the state had better move fast, because his tax return was due. Then…
Corné MulderGuest
Alec HoggHost
And I ask this because I had a very interesting interview recently with Gaten McKenzie.

I was present during the negotiations, and sometimes people refer to the Constitution as the best constitution in the world.

Well, there are certain things that we could have done much better in terms of addressing the reality of South Africa.

We could have gone much further in terms of decentralization, in terms of federal principles.

For example, the second House of Parliament, the Council of Provinces, is supposed to be like the second chamber of Germany, the Bundesrat.

And it's not exactly the same because in those instances, they've got what we've got called our provinces.

And the delegations there are supposed to act in the best interest of that specific geographical area.

Why is this so much of an influence from Germany? And I ask this because I know there are a lot of German NGOs who pour a lot of money into South Africa.

A lot of those NGOs and some of the advisors at the time had also good connections who have studied in Germany at some stage.

And I ask this because I had a very interesting interview recently with Gaten McKenzie.

I was present during the negotiations, and sometimes people refer to the Constitution as the best constitution in the world.

Well, there are certain things that we could have done much better in terms of addressing the reality of South Africa.

We could have gone much further in terms of decentralization, in terms of federal principles.

For example, the second House of Parliament, the Council of Provinces, is supposed to be like the second chamber of Germany, the Bundesrat.

And it's not exactly the same because in those instances, they've got what we've got called our provinces.

And the delegations there are supposed to act in the best interest of that specific geographical area.

Why is this so much of an influence from Germany? And I ask this because I know there are a lot of German NGOs who pour a lot of money into South Africa.

A lot of those NGOs and some of the advisors at the time had also good connections who have studied in Germany at some stage.
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