Insecurity or Observation?

What's that? I was kind of like, do Catholics believe...

So I think the question was, can a Catholic be born again?

So

do they believe

that Jesus died and rose again from the death? But to be fair, yeah.

Oh wait, no, they do believe that he rose on the third day and that though, right? So what are the

fundamental differences between Catholics

and

Christians? That's the wrong person by it.

What would be interesting though is how does purgatory play the part in... like, salvation.

Do you get me? Like, what's purgatory's role?

Purgatory's almost like a second chance though, isn't it?

Yeah, but what does that look like for hell then?

Yeah, but then, the reason why the only, for my, hey guys, I'm not an

expert,

but just to say, like, the only reason why I feel like they can use purgatory and be like oh like we have a similar belief in like let's say like um protestant um sort of faiths or denominations here is that for example there's a place called abraham's bosom shiel yeah where people who died in the old testament all that kind of stuff like Some argue the good ones were kept in Abraham's bosom, which is a part of Sheol, which is the afterlife, which is like hell and all that kind of stuff.

But they

argue, yeah.

People argue that Sheol, so that's like some people's argument that there's no hell is also based on Sheol.

No, no, no, but Shio is like Hades, basically.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There is definitely...

Because the thing is as well with Shio, you've got Abraham's bosom, yeah? And you've got someone asking.

So, for example, the rich man that went to hell and asked him to just get a drop of water and just drop it on his mouth sort of thing, innit? Drop it on his...

Because that's how... peak it was, yeah, he was speaking to people in Abraham's bosom.

He was speaking to Lazarus in Abraham's bosom, right? Yeah.

Is it Lazarus? I might be paraphrasing.

The

reason I say the thing about shills, because the Bible uses shill to describe, like, the grave as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, if you're in the grave, they say, like, they use that as shill as well.

So, some people are using that as an argument to be like, when people, like, obviously, they're cutting out a lot of Bible, but they were saying that actually what Sheol means is just the grave that you're dead it doesn't mean but then

there's two different parts so there's two different parts of Sheol basically or Hades right which is I think Hades is a part and Abraham's bosom is another part because Abraham's bosom is specifically called out and that's people that have died already

and also people say it's Greek mythology as well

yeah but again a lot of these things like do you notice there's some there's a lady that does um videos where she talks about all the things that were happening at the same time as things were happening in the bible and it's quite interesting it's quite good to see that um so she talks about stuff like the revolution or this is that and the other or whatever's going on in the different faiths and all that kind of stuff so she talks about that even the odyssey stuff she talks about what was going on in the bibles around the same time as the odyssey and all that kind of stuff um yeah sorry where was that um sure so yeah she was like the place where almost like you were held before the final judgment where everyone comes from the grave as well remember when we talk about the seals being broken and all that kind of stuff and everyone even those that were under the sea and they all get right and everyone gets judged at the same time like right now people believe those people are kept in shale but then there was also another belief that When Jesus took the keys, when he died and went to Hades and took the keys and led captivity captive, Yeah, essentially people say that saying that he freed the people, the souls that were in Sheol, Abraham's cousin.

So they're already in that eternal peace and eternal heaven and that eternity basically, right? Some people believe that.

I'm not 100% sure on exactly what I believe because I feel like that verse doesn't give me everything that some people believe.

But then again, who am I really in it? Do you know what I mean? So I'm still working that one out in terms of what I believe in.

And that's all eschatology.

And that's, eschatology is one of them.

It's one of them.

And eschatology is the whole, sorry, it's the study of what happens after life.

Do you get what I'm trying to say? So it's like the whole, what end times, all that kind of stuff.

Do you get what I'm trying to say? Where people go after they die and all that kind of stuff.

Eschatology is one of the most biggest like,

no,

I don't know if I'll call it the biggest, but it's one of the big topics, basically, in theology.

Yeah, man.

It's judgment.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

But then also, sorry, so just getting back to the point, like, so yeah, we know it's got a dark past.

How do you even get there?

Catholicism, innit? Yeah, yeah.

And then purgatory about, yeah, yeah, cool, cool, cool.

But yeah, so the only reason why they can never kind of claim any sort of similarities because of shiothim.

That's the only thing.

Because the only thing I see in Bible that kind of relates to any kind of holding place is shiothim and Abraham's bosom.

Do you get it? Other than that, I don't know where purgatory comes from.

Do you get it? And again, still, I don't think it's what they're doing there can then...

Nah, bro.

If anything, you're just waiting to get your final judgment.

It's not that.

I don't think you can change anything while you're there.

But I don't know.

Because the Bible don't tell me that.

No,

but I think purgatory can change your fate, innit?

Bro, I cannot remember, bro.

You know where the Catholic schools are now? I know, bro.

You know where

Catholic schools are now,

bro? I'll never forget.

I'll never forget my teacher when gone.

You said that twice, bro.

You know where Catholic schools are now? You did, didn't

you? Yeah, but that's another thing, though.

I wouldn't send my children to something that's not...

In schools, yeah, but that's another conversation, yeah.

You wouldn't send your children to something that's not Catholic?

Yeah, I wouldn't still.

Why?

I'll get, I'll answer that.

But this time, yeah, I'll never forget my teacher.

So again, you've got to remember, when we were in school, I always used to say this, like, because it was black, Ghanaian, Jamaican, majority, everyone had some kind of faith background, even though no one was really practicing.

So, but we were aware of certain things at a young age.

So for example, praying to, let's say, Hail Mary.

I'll never forget it

yet.

During

Hail Mary, I was like, bro, and we had spoken about it before, but gently, And then I'll never forget, yeah, that we were like, he was like, why

are we praying to Mary?

That kind of thing.

Bro, she lost it.

She was like, you're not praying today.

Bro, she lost it.

I'll never forget.

I'll never forget that day.

And then I was like, right, like, oh, you know.

So what was that explanation that you're praying

for Mary or what? We just started laughing.

I

can't remember.

We just started laughing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're losing it now.

It was actually

so funny.

We're like, why are you losing it? It's so funny.

And even the youth is laughing as well.

And it's funny because He can't get in trouble for this.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Do you get me? All he said here is like a view.

Remember in RE, you got to learn.

You learn about different things, different faiths.

So even in college, I done an extra course in first year.

And it was philosophy.

So I'd done philosophy as well for a year, but it wasn't a...

It wasn't an actual A-level course.

So I'd done the four A-levels, and then they give it to some people.

Yeah, you got spent for it or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

To

do philosophy.

So I'd done it as well.

So even in there, you're learning about... topics and things and different but you it majors on christianity

but for your philosophy as well i feel like it majors on um greek um dogma in terms of like plato or that kind of stuff because i feel like he was quite quite instrumental in terms of like how people see themselves in terms of philosophy i

think it was christian philosophy i can't remember the name of the course was it philosophy and ethics Maybe.

Fair enough.

And by the way, you went to

a Catholic school.

I think they majored on Christian philosophy.

It's so funny because the teacher as well, yeah, would used to be like, listen, guys, you guys amaze me every lesson.

People are ashamed.

Bro, do you know what it is?

Do you know what's so funny? You know when a man talks about philosophy, that's exactly what man expects.

I expect every conversation to be mad interesting.

Even if someone says the most basic thing, somehow it's so profound.

Yeah.

Guys, it

made me...

It was

funny.

But it's funny.

That's what I'm saying.

He's a Christian.

He was Catholic.

He was Catholic.

He was Catholic.

You have

to be kind of a Christian to teach in a Catholic school, right?

You know, he used to be stripped off back in the days.

But I don't think now...

So now you can have someone in a hijab teaching in a Christian

school.

That one, I don't know.

That one, I don't know.

I don't know how, like, blatant it has to be but I don't think they would stop you you know if you're not of Christian faith I just think their thing is that you have to yeah oh well sorry to teach RE no I think you have to be Catholic

no but to teach you have to be Christian

Oh, is it? Yeah, I don't think you can teach RE in a Catholic school and not be of

faith.

But ain't RE, like, you're not trying to,

like...

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's religious.

It's a religious

study.

But, you know, so a lot of the time, Catholic schools, because of the Catholic Church, they own the grounds that the school's built on.

So because of that, they dictate

what the curriculum

is rather than the government

or whatever.

So for a lot of them, yeah.

So I don't think you'll be able to teach art at RE.

But if you've got

like a form in a Catholic school, right, you lot have whatever things that you guys recite in the mornings or whatever, right?

Yeah, like our father.

So you say, so not in the mornings, but there's assemblies.

Yeah, assembly, yeah.

So there's assemblies where you'll start by saying the Our Father, there's mass.

Yeah.

We used to do mass, I think, every week or something like that.

So that's

another thing.

That's what I'm saying.

So those two things, yeah, where you say the Our Father and then when you...

Let's say Hail Mary as well.

Yeah.

You say the what?

Hail

Mary.

The

Hail Mary thing.

The

Hail Mary as well.

I can't even lie to you.

When I hear Hail Mary, it sounds bare, far-fetched, man.

I remember at school, because

I was in primary school, I used to like, obviously, the world.

You know, there was a time...

What is the Hail

Mary? What? I remember it fully.

The Hail Mary full of grace.

Yeah, Hail Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee.

Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for our sinners now and the hour of our death.

Was your

whole primary school that? Second school.

Oh, your second school.

I was only year six.

Yeah.

Now, the reason why Catholicism has similarities to, for example, people are going to think I've jumped here, but to the Yoruba religion, is the whole Mother of God kind of... idea and when we talk about like um the fries and all of these other religions that existed back in the day and all that kind of stuff again they all had a mother concept i remember when we talked about um the addictive milan and um constantine and how even though he's seen as like a massive savior especially in catholicism because he stopped the persecution of christians what also happened was that the neighboring religions, cultures merged with different parts of what was supposed to be Christianity at the time, or let's say Catholicism.

There's also a lot that if you look into it, when you look at like Roman Catholicism, if you look at the symbolism, like the sun, for example, a lot of it equates or has similarities with sun worship.

There's just so many questionable things for me personally, like even the upside down cross, talking about Peter being... crucified upside down and how he like god said um because christ said um on this rock this is this is the rock on this rock i'll build my church and the gates of hades won't prevail over it people use that as a oh he's talking about peter because pete means rock or whatever people so that's why like because he started the first church That's why, essentially, that's why they have the upside down cross as one of their symbols, because Peter was crucified upside down.

My thing with that, yeah, is that that's not looking to Jesus, and that's not what man believes in.

I don't believe in looking to Peter.

I don't believe in looking to Mary.

I don't believe in looking to any of these other people.

for anything other than examples, but not in any way, I don't need a mediator to get to Christ, innit? That's a key thing in what I believe.

I think there was a key break off here in terms of Catholicism and even orthodox and um protestant which was like the five solas and the main one i always call it solo scriptura where it's like now we go back to the scripture and the scripture is the authority in the church but in catholicism they believe that no the vicar the pope the priest they're the authority in the church so they believe the pope the priests have the authority to forgive your sins I don't believe that.

That to me is very different to what I believe.

They actually say that, that they can forgive.

So there's a term called vicar de filius, right? Which basically means that the vicar is the extension of Christ on earth.

So that's why they have the authority to...

Confessions and stuff like that.

The Pope, sorry, is the extension of Christ on earth.

So that's why he has the authority to forgive your sins, essentially.

Is that why they do confessions?

Yeah, exactly, yeah.

But

again, I

don't

think

confessions are...

It's

to the vicar, though, isn't it? Again,

guys, let me just say one thing, yeah.

I have not grown up in Catholicism, not even for a smidge.

I've only

been there, like, probably, like, a handful of times for, like, christening here and there and that.

So I'm not an expert on

why they believe or do what they do.

All I know is the differences in what...

They told me they believe in what I don't believe personally.

Do you get

it? I think, by the way, I think the confessions, like, obviously, take away some people's fundamental belief of why it needs to happen, by the way.

Because, obviously, from what I remember, you don't have to do confession.

That one is optional to go to confessions.

But remember, when we were younger, they did say, right, even in primary school, go to

confessions and it's like a box.

So you go

inside, this is how it was back then.

Obviously, this was more old school.

So you go inside a box and like, the priest on the other side, you're in the room, but it's like, he's not even like looking at you, kind of like, you're kind of like, you're talking to him.

Let's say he's facing you, he might be looking here and the thing in between you, it's not like a clear screen or nothing like that.

So it's kind of, so basically- We've seen it in movies

and shows.

Yeah, it's meant to

do the thing of like,

You can't see me.

Confidentiality.

Confidentiality in it, so you can't say it.

But then there's always that thing where they can just open

it and start chatting to you.

You know what I'm saying?

No, no, I'm not putting it down.

I'm not looking up.

Forgive me, Father, because I have sinned.

That's what you say when you walk in there, right?

I can't remember, you know.

I can't remember.

When I see it in the film, that's what I see.

Yeah.

I don't think I did, you know.

I think you just go in there.

He'll ask you, like, is there anything you want to say? You'll say it, and then...

there's obviously a, as it is with Catholicism, they're starting to, they read back to you and that, all right.

And then it's pretty quick.

Obviously, it might have been quick for me because I was younger.

I didn't have much to say.

Yeah, probably.

They told you to go.

Remember

what you

said? I can't remember.

I think I'll punch someone up.

I don't know.

I'll punch someone up.

How many times did you go just because it

was like, oh, like,

It was like, let's go kind of thing.

Yeah, yeah.

So obviously, remember, I've gone through the sacraments.

I've done my Holy Communion.

I've done my confirmation.

So you go, you do it in it.

I don't

want my children doing

that.

You know what it is as well? And this is an obvious side, yeah? By the way, the way we

do life here, the way we do life is like, Nah, all of that is kind of calm, if you get what I'm trying to say, because we'll get through it.

Do you get what I'm trying to say? So I'm taking that gene away from things.

Because I don't know that the people growing up nowadays have the gene of getting through things.

I feel like a lot of people growing up nowadays, once they're in something or something's got a foothold or a stronghold on them, it's going to be an absolute tussle to get out of it, bro.

So, also, yeah, just another point about Mary, yeah, as well.

Because one thing I was thinking about the other day, I was watching something, and I was like, you know, I think sometimes, though, I think as Pentecostals, I don't think we give Mary enough credit.

Go on.

that we don't really talk about Mary at all.

Kind of like, like even in the, even not, because even in the like, even in the nativity, it's kind of like, the way it's been, it's kind of like she's, she's a character in it, but she's not like.

She's like one of the main characters though, Mary and Joseph.

No, they are, they are, but I don't think, like it's not given, So, for example, I would argue, yeah, that the three wise men are bigger characters in the way we talk about the nativity than Mary in the Pentecostal church.

Do you know what it is? I think that's just how we remember the nativity.

I don't think that's about how we speak about it.

Because I think when we speak about Mary in...

the Pentecostal church, I think we juxtapose against Zachariah, John's dad, and how he received the message from the angel versus how she received it.

How she received it in all humility on some call.

Are you saying that's the way? So for example, yeah, and I know what the response is going to be.

and yeah, I'm not, but do you talk about Mary outside of Christmas? Like, do you, in church, have you ever heard Mary's name outside of Christmas?

No, but have you heard the three wise men's name out of Christmas? Yes, I have.

Swear to God,

for what? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

For what reason? No, it's the gifts.

So I've heard people holding on the gifts and like what it is, for example, I've heard it in sermons about what it is to give.

I've heard it in examples of like the importance of those things and what they actually mean spiritually in terms of like crowning the king.

Do you get what I'm trying to say? I've heard it in that context.

And that's the thing, I'm not even saying that it's bad, by the way.

I think that we...

Because I think we, so the way we, and fair enough, again, the way we talk about Paul, obviously he wrote a lot of the letters that we read.

So fair enough, innit? The way we talk about Peter, he started the first church.

So fair enough.

But, fam, Mary's also the mother, and not in a,

no, no, no, no. Fam.

See, that's that Catholicism coming out of you.

It's not, bro.

And I feel that.

Mary is the mother of Jesus.

Do you know

what it is? But, you know what it is as well, though? And I feel like, And you might not be doing this, but I feel like sometimes we approach stuff with such a fear of like, maybe I'm going too much to that side.

But I think there's an acknowledgement to make that, oh, hold on.

There was somebody on this earth that was brought up.

And again, we believe the Bible.

We don't believe in stories.

Do

you get me? We actually believe these are historical things that happened for real life.

And if we believe that it's a historical thing, we believe that an angel came to someone and said... you are going to be the conduit

for

the saviour of the world

yeah

you are going to give birth to the saviour of the entire universe bro it's actually it's insane so even how

many times have you seen the word universe

in the

bible

Exactly.