Jun 9, 2026 · 1 hr 4 min · 14 segments
Batya Ungar-Sargon joins Ami to expose how anti-Semitism switched sides, why the right cleaned house, and what 300 years of forgotten American Jewish history tells us about where Jews really stand…
Ami KozakHost
You know, I mean, some people will say the conversation around anti-Semitism gets exhausted, but you know, every once in a while you bring it back for a nice, good, elevated conversation, I think.
It is time to have these conversations differently, you know, coming out of our echo chambers.
Look at your..." 'Cause you know, in the October 8th moment, post October 7th, as we define sort of the shift in, uh, you know, the Jewish experience in the diaspora, the, the big I-told-you-so moment came when the first people coming out to condemn Israel and do the worst displays of ripping down hostage posters and celebrating October 7th, the Hamas supporters, was largely concentrated on the left.
And so the Jews on the right were like, "Told you so, ha ha." And then fast-forward a year in, two years in-
... you sort of get the same thing on the right, where it's like, hey, you thought you had your, you know, people who were on your side, who were pro-Israel, pro, you know, you know, pro-military success against fighting, you know, radical Islamic jihadists.
So can you just define for us a little bit how we got here on kind of both ends of that spectrum?
This is a feel-good book, okay? I, I, too, am a little bit sick of the anti-Semitism conversation, um, which is not to say that our leftist elites are not deeply anti-Semitic.
You know, I mean, some people will say the conversation around anti-Semitism gets exhausted, but you know, every once in a while you bring it back for a nice, good, elevated conversation, I think.
It is time to have these conversations differently, you know, coming out of our echo chambers.
Look at your..." 'Cause you know, in the October 8th moment, post October 7th, as we define sort of the shift in, uh, you know, the Jewish experience in the diaspora, the, the big I-told-you-so moment came when the first people coming out to condemn Israel and do the worst displays of ripping down hostage posters and celebrating October 7th, the Hamas supporters, was largely concentrated on the left.
And so the Jews on the right were like, "Told you so, ha ha." And then fast-forward a year in, two years in-
... you sort of get the same thing on the right, where it's like, hey, you thought you had your, you know, people who were on your side, who were pro-Israel, pro, you know, you know, pro-military success against fighting, you know, radical Islamic jihadists.
So can you just define for us a little bit how we got here on kind of both ends of that spectrum?
This is a feel-good book, okay? I, I, too, am a little bit sick of the anti-Semitism conversation, um, which is not to say that our leftist elites are not deeply anti-Semitic.
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