WASSAP: The Africa-West Asia Podcast
Jun 16, 2026 · 38 min · 7 segments
In this episode of the WASSAP podcast, we explore the role of energy, ports, and infrastructure corridors in shaping Gulf–Africa relations. Hosts Desirée Custers and Hubert Kinkoh are joined by Dr…
May DarwichGuest
Maddalena ProcopioGuest
Desiree CustersHost
Hubert KinkohHost

And I am Hubert Kinko, senior researcher at CARPO and co-host of the WASAP podcast.


To unpack this with us, we are delighted to welcome two leading voices on the subject.

First, Dr. Madalena Pocopio, who is Senior Policy Fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations.

Madalena works on Africa-EU relations, Africa-Middle East ties, and economic and natural resource dynamics across the continent, with particular expertise on Gulf engagement on the continent.

May Darwish, who is Associate Professor in International Relations of the Middle East at the University of Birmingham.

Her research focuses on international relations and infrastructure politics in the Arabian Peninsula and the Horn of Africa, with a particular focus on ports and power projection.
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