Uncomfortable Collisions with Reality
Jul 16, 2026 · 29 min · 11 segments
Welcome to another edition of Uncomfortable Collisions with Reality, where Gene Tunny and I react to a UN report on AI that invested me as the intellectual godfather of the phrase "digital public…
Gene TunnyHostSo I've been, uh, as anyone who's sort of read my stuff knows, I've been kind of mulling on the question of public goods and how broad the category of public goods is and how much broader it is than economists would have you believe, or at least a simple economic textbook, since maybe 2005 or earlier.
And then in 2009, I chaired the Government 2.0 Task Force, which was about the use of what was then called Web 2 in government, the use of the internet as a collaborative tool, and I really started thinking about it then.
But in 2017, I wrote a piece for The Mandarin, and it was called "The Public Goods of the 21st Century." And it wasn't that I was saying anything very new there.
I mean, I don't know whether it's the first time I'd used the term digital public goods, but it was saying that the public goods of the 21st century are, many of them, digital public goods.
And somehow this went into a, you know, the, the public good du jour, which is Google or somewhere, and someone does a search of who or tries to figure out from Ingram who's the first person to use the term digital public goods, and it's me.
It's gonna be full of lots of words and a sort of gray literature report," and I didn't give it a lot more thought.
But having looked at it a bit later in preparation for this podcast, I'm quite intrigued about it, and it seems to me to provide a rather a good, rather an interesting way to s- to start talking about some of the issues.

Do you think it was that, it was ha- having worked on Government 2.0 and your, your work with Taxi, was it, this is what set you up to start thinking about digital public goods? Yeah, it looks to me, I mean, I hadn't, I haven't heard anyone else use that term until I heard it off you, so you, you probably, you've got as good a right to claim-
The game of getting noticed is, to some extent, about language and coining expressions.
So I've been, uh, as anyone who's sort of read my stuff knows, I've been kind of mulling on the question of public goods and how broad the category of public goods is and how much broader it is than economists would have you believe, or at least a simple economic textbook, since maybe 2005 or earlier.
And then in 2009, I chaired the Government 2.0 Task Force, which was about the use of what was then called Web 2 in government, the use of the internet as a collaborative tool, and I really started thinking about it then.
But in 2017, I wrote a piece for The Mandarin, and it was called "The Public Goods of the 21st Century." And it wasn't that I was saying anything very new there.
I mean, I don't know whether it's the first time I'd used the term digital public goods, but it was saying that the public goods of the 21st century are, many of them, digital public goods.
And somehow this went into a, you know, the, the public good du jour, which is Google or somewhere, and someone does a search of who or tries to figure out from Ingram who's the first person to use the term digital public goods, and it's me.
It's gonna be full of lots of words and a sort of gray literature report," and I didn't give it a lot more thought.
But having looked at it a bit later in preparation for this podcast, I'm quite intrigued about it, and it seems to me to provide a rather a good, rather an interesting way to s- to start talking about some of the issues.

Do you think it was that, it was ha- having worked on Government 2.0 and your, your work with Taxi, was it, this is what set you up to start thinking about digital public goods? Yeah, it looks to me, I mean, I hadn't, I haven't heard anyone else use that term until I heard it off you, so you, you probably, you've got as good a right to claim-
The game of getting noticed is, to some extent, about language and coining expressions.
The rest of this transcript — segmented and speaker-labeled, so you land on the exact moment something was said
Search every transcript — by keyword, by phrase, or by meaning, across every show Radar indexes
Trends — what is surging across podcasts, measured against its own baseline
Alerts — when a name you follow appears in a newly indexed episode
No account is needed to search Radar.