Michael Heiser on Angels and Demons (with Joel Muddamalle)

[upbeat music] Has the church largely misunderstood the nature and origin of angels and demons? Are there other heavenly beings that are not angelic or demonic? And if so, where do they come from and what do they do? Are demons really the disembodied spirits of the Nephilim, as discussed in Genesis 6 and the Book of Enoch? Back in studio and joining me today because of popular demand to talk about these issues and the supernatural realm is Dr.

Joel Muddamalle, author of The Unseen Battle.

Joel, you are both a friend and protege of the late Dr. Michael Heiser, whose work sparked interest in the origin and nature of demons, angels, and the unseen realm.

I have wanted to have this conversation for a long time.

Thanks for flying back to do it.

Absolutely, Sean.

It's such a honor for me to be with you.

This is the second time I'm in studio.

That's right.

It feels like the two-peat.

[laughs]

Uh, in honor of Michael Jordan as the greatest of all time.

You know, we'll be looking forward to the three-peat at some point, but this is a, a really great opportunity.

I'm excited.

I love it.

So we're doing a two-part series.

Yeah.

First one on angels and demons.

Yeah.

And then we're gonna talk about the Book of Enoch.

Mm-hmm.

And then we're gonna go live on a Talbot Tuesday-

Yep

... and take people's questions and challenges.

So write in question, people watching, people listening.

We'll come back and tackle that.

We'll release that date coming up.

But before we dive into an analysis of Michael Heiser's views on angels and demons-

Yeah

... and your take on it, you worked closely with him and his scholarship and build on many of his ideas.

Why do you think he's had such a profound impact on how evangelicals think about the unseen realm? And maybe tell us a little bit about your relationship with him.