Oct 6, 2026 · 1 hr 12 min · 13 segments
“Who is they?” sounds like a throwaway line until you try to answer it out loud. We sit down with Michael Farris, host of Coffee and a Mike, to get specific about what people mean by “the deep state”…
Michael FarrisGuest
Leonard GoodmanHostI know that I've heard it on your podcast a lot, Mike, that people go, they, well, they want this.

You know, I've been saying, does it really matter? But I thought because Ben was talking about it, I'm like, I wonder who he thinks they is.

You know, you've heard this whole, the City of London, right? You've heard that one, that the City of London is behind all this, that's they.

That's like what comes into my head when I think about The Deep State because it tells the story of...

JFK turning on the CIA after the Bay of Pigs and he fired Dulles, right? Was it Allen Dulles that he fired? And basically Dulles sort of set up almost like a shadow CIA operation in D.C.

And I mean, David Talbott makes the case that those are the people that probably killed Kennedy.
I know that I've heard it on your podcast a lot, Mike, that people go, they, well, they want this.

You know, I've been saying, does it really matter? But I thought because Ben was talking about it, I'm like, I wonder who he thinks they is.

You know, you've heard this whole, the City of London, right? You've heard that one, that the City of London is behind all this, that's they.

That's like what comes into my head when I think about The Deep State because it tells the story of...

JFK turning on the CIA after the Bay of Pigs and he fired Dulles, right? Was it Allen Dulles that he fired? And basically Dulles sort of set up almost like a shadow CIA operation in D.C.

And I mean, David Talbott makes the case that those are the people that probably killed Kennedy.
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