Briahna Joy Gray

Just kidding.

Brianna Joy Gray and Jill Stein and all those people, they're not going to say a fucking word about it because it's a Republican president.

Who cares about student loans when there's a Republican president? That's only when Democrats are in charge.

That's the only time it's important.

I've only done bad faith once and I had a blast.

I like talking to Brianna Joy Gray.

She's great.

I like.

Even some Green Party members have left.

And about that controversy, uh, Norman Finkelstein appeared, uh, on a, uh, on the program of Briahna Joy Gray, and she asked him about that.

You know, "You're one of the most outspoken Jewish critics of Israel and have been forever.

You've sacrificed, you know, parts of your career for it.

Oh, okay.

With, with Briahna Joy Gray-

I thought he-

... and people like that.

Have you ever wondered what happens when two immovable antisemites find themself on a collision course? Well, in the case we talk about today, and we're gonna show clips of it, uh, it's about, uh, Norman Finkelstein and Briahna Joy Gray.

Uh, should be Gray Joy.

In fact, no joy at all, but never mind.

Um, spoiler alert, in this particular case, it's the most experienced antisemite who actually wins.

Welcome to The Daily Objective, and we're joined with a, a couple of panelists today on the show, Anders Ingemarsson and Michael Neeran.

Thank you very much, guys, for joining us.

And let me come to you, Anders, first of all, just to see, uh, any opening thoughts you might have on this, uh, this pair of characters, uh, Dr. Norman Finkelstein and Briahna Joy Gray, and the, the delights of an ice cream sundae, which includes, uh, a scoop of both of them.

Well, uh, not my particular flavor of an ice cream sundae, let's, uh, let's say that to begin with.

... fundamental mistakes.

I was thinking about this debate, "debate", and that's in quotation marks, between Briahna Joy Gray and Dan Denvir, Dan Denvir.

And it's, you know, bad faith in the dig.

And, uh, unfortunately, I actually...

I think it's, like, deleterious to having a clear line if you get too involved in it.

But I did think...

I did find it interesting watching Briahna Joy Gray and Dan, and Dan D'Viere argue because Briahna Joy Gray was treating a tactic, the force to vote, as a principle.

Mm-hmm.

I mean, it's the idea that the Jewish people, they were a minority in all the countries.

I mean, Norman Finkelstein actually had a very interesting take on this, speaking to Brianna Joy Gray.

I saw a clip of it today.

He's saying, look, he said, I did my PhD in my doctorate in Zionism.

Welcome back to Bad Faith Podcast, Norm.

Well, thank you very much for having me, Briahna.

As I said, it is really my pleasure.

I wanna start by asking you about some October 7th commentary we've already gotten.

Well, Hakeem Jeffries was the chief enabler of the Gaza genocide, among the chief enablers.

In the House, he was probably the chief enabler of the Gaza genocide.

Now, what concerns me, Briahna, is how he did it.

How he did it.

And, and I feel like Trump and Musk come in with similar rhetoric that he comes in with in 2016, which is, "I'm still a Washington outsider." And for me, it, it's not just that he doesn't realize that he can make money with the presidency.

It's that there's people in, in his cabinet that still have a certain allegiance to party and ideology, even if that ideology is one that I don't agree with.

Um, so he's still got the Steve Bannons.

Um, he- he's got some old school retreads from like the Bush years that he's bringing back in.

You, you look at this and you go, "This is, this is horrible for your, for your b- for your presidency-

Yeah

... and your party." But again, like we've been saying, these are con men.

This is all about show business.

It's the Courage in Journalism Award.

And Michael was there, and we had lots of people there, including Judge Napolitano, Glenn Greenwald, Brianna Joy Gray, the Invisible Institute, and Jamie Kelvin.

Who am I missing, Leonard? Who got awards? The Gray Zone.

The Gray Zone, of course.