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The Same Drugs

Is AI going to kill us all?

Oct 14, 2026 · 1 hr · 16 segments

Is AI going to save civilization or destroy it? Do we need to win the "AI race" or lose everything? Are AI-doomers falling into a Democrat plot? WTF was the Hugging Face hack? On the podcast…

Is AI going to save civilization or destroy it? Do we need to win the "AI race" or lose everything? Are AI-doomers falling into a Democrat plot? WTF was the Hugging Face hack? On the podcast, ⁠Meghan Murphy⁠ speaks with ⁠Leighton Woodhouse about all these questions and more. ⁠Leighton is a journalist and a documentary filmmaker now working with the ⁠Midas Project⁠. ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Meghan Murphy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ is on X ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠@meghanemurphy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and on Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ @meghanemilymurphy⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Find The Same Drugs merch at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Fourthwall⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Support this podcast ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠with a ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠donation⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Become a subscriber to gain early access to every episode and exclusive access to bonus content. Don't forget to click the "follow" button to ensure you don't miss a single episode!

Is AI going to save civilization or destroy it? Do we need to win the "AI race" or lose everything? Are AI-doomers falling into a Democrat plot? WTF was the Hugging Face hack? On the podcast…

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Speakers: Leighton WoodhouseGuestMeghan MurphyHost

Top entities: Artificial intelligence×87 Jon Husted×20 Meghan Murphy×16 Hugging Face×13 The Midas Project×8

Show signals: SuitabilitySensitiveBiasRightAudience≈74k followers

AI, Writing, and Human Creativity4:26 – 9:38

Meghan MurphyHost

4:26

So this is one of those topics that I'm sort of perpetually confused about and perpetually-

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

4:32

Mm-hmm

Meghan MurphyHost

4:32

... changing my mind about.

Meghan MurphyHost

4:34

Um, partly because I'm not a tech person, and so-

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

4:38

Mm-hmm.

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

4:39

Neither am I

Meghan MurphyHost

4:39

... anything tech related, [laughs] I get really overwhelmed and confused by.

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

4:44

Mm.

Meghan MurphyHost

4:45

I have been really concerned about AI from the beginning.

Meghan MurphyHost

4:51

Well, the beginning of when I heard about AI, which was not-

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

4:54

Mm-hmm

Meghan MurphyHost

4:54

...

Meghan MurphyHost

4:54

the beginning.

Meghan MurphyHost

4:55

[laughs] But like-

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

4:56

Mm-hmm

Meghan MurphyHost

4:56

... and part of that, you know, like I have to assume is rooted in my distrust, my distrust of big tech and my-

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

5:06

Mm-hmm

Meghan MurphyHost

5:06

... inclination towards being a Luddite and my lack of eagerness towards glomming onto new tech as soon as it appears.

Meghan MurphyHost

5:14

But, you know, my concerns were mainly rooted in things like our brains are gonna atrophy [laughs] because-

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

5:24

Mm-hmm

Meghan MurphyHost

5:24

... people are going to farm out their brains to AI essentially.

Meghan MurphyHost

5:27

You know?

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

5:28

Right.

Meghan MurphyHost

5:28

People are...

Meghan MurphyHost

5:29

People-- I'm, I'm like losing my mind over people writing articles on Substack about how to pretend that you're not writing with AI.

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AI, Writing, and Human Creativity4:26 – 9:38

Meghan MurphyHost

4:26

So this is one of those topics that I'm sort of perpetually confused about and perpetually-

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

4:32

Mm-hmm

Meghan MurphyHost

4:32

... changing my mind about.

Meghan MurphyHost

4:34

Um, partly because I'm not a tech person, and so-

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

4:38

Mm-hmm.

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

4:39

Neither am I

Meghan MurphyHost

4:39

... anything tech related, [laughs] I get really overwhelmed and confused by.

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

4:44

Mm.

Meghan MurphyHost

4:45

I have been really concerned about AI from the beginning.

Meghan MurphyHost

4:51

Well, the beginning of when I heard about AI, which was not-

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

4:54

Mm-hmm

Meghan MurphyHost

4:54

...

Meghan MurphyHost

4:54

the beginning.

Meghan MurphyHost

4:55

[laughs] But like-

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

4:56

Mm-hmm

Meghan MurphyHost

4:56

... and part of that, you know, like I have to assume is rooted in my distrust, my distrust of big tech and my-

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

5:06

Mm-hmm

Meghan MurphyHost

5:06

... inclination towards being a Luddite and my lack of eagerness towards glomming onto new tech as soon as it appears.

Meghan MurphyHost

5:14

But, you know, my concerns were mainly rooted in things like our brains are gonna atrophy [laughs] because-

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

5:24

Mm-hmm

Meghan MurphyHost

5:24

... people are going to farm out their brains to AI essentially.

Meghan MurphyHost

5:27

You know?

Leighton WoodhouseGuest

5:28

Right.

Meghan MurphyHost

5:28

People are...

Meghan MurphyHost

5:29

People-- I'm, I'm like losing my mind over people writing articles on Substack about how to pretend that you're not writing with AI.

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