Sep 10, 2026 · 1 hr 29 min · 13 segments
Brook Cupps is the head basketball coach at Centerville High School in Centerville, Ohio. In the classroom, he leads students in leadership classes focused on leading oneself and how to best lead…
Gary BertwistleHost
I find it really interesting that when you look at your work, yes, it relates back to coaching and coaching kids, but there just seems so many similarities to a person who's a company owner working with team members in a company of, of whatever size.
Because you said that on reflection during that time you felt like you were not being a great dad or, and I suspect not a great family member or a great partner to your wife.
How did, how did coaching impact or shape how you turned up as a dad at home during and after this change with, after seeing Dick Bennett?
The way I showed up for my players, I was showing up for my family the same way.
I would, I would hope they wouldn't say I was a bad dad, but I definitely wasn't nearly as present prior to the change in philosophy and defining success differently than I was after.
I was much more, I was much more present, like, I was much more engaged when I was there.
Before, I was typically physically there, and, uh, other parts of it were hit-and-miss.
Not, not really just how I coached or how I showed up at home, just how I live my life-
When you wrote Surrender the Outcome, you said that it was a way to work out your own thinking.
I find it really interesting that when you look at your work, yes, it relates back to coaching and coaching kids, but there just seems so many similarities to a person who's a company owner working with team members in a company of, of whatever size.
Because you said that on reflection during that time you felt like you were not being a great dad or, and I suspect not a great family member or a great partner to your wife.
How did, how did coaching impact or shape how you turned up as a dad at home during and after this change with, after seeing Dick Bennett?
The way I showed up for my players, I was showing up for my family the same way.
I would, I would hope they wouldn't say I was a bad dad, but I definitely wasn't nearly as present prior to the change in philosophy and defining success differently than I was after.
I was much more, I was much more present, like, I was much more engaged when I was there.
Before, I was typically physically there, and, uh, other parts of it were hit-and-miss.
Not, not really just how I coached or how I showed up at home, just how I live my life-
When you wrote Surrender the Outcome, you said that it was a way to work out your own thinking.
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