Oct 13, 2026 · 1 hr 2 min · 19 segments
This week we’re hanging with the legendary Sam Bercholz: refugee kid turned founder of Shambhala Publications, the prolific dharma press behind many of the books on your shelf. In 1968, a London…
Sam BercholzGuestTashaHostJeffHostBut I feel like isn't that, that's just, like, inherently human to have this curiosity.
I remember being, like-
...
in kindergarten and grade one and having these...
I used to pull up kids in the [laughs] in, like, you know, the schoolyard who, you know, I knew that their parents were, let's say, like, Christian or something.
And I would say, like, "What do you think..." You know, "You, you go to church on the weekend.
What do you think God is?" And that, this is, like, a, a five-year-old, two five-year-olds having this question.
And they would be like, "You know, he's this guy who sits in the clouds, and he, you know, he, he listens to us." And, and I would always kind of like Socratically, [laughs] like, challenge and stuff, but no one had to teach me to, how to do that, and no one had to teach these kids to have these, like, connections to some ineffable thing.
I feel like that's very human, and then we just kind of cobble narratives around it.
I don't know.
What do you think?

Well, I think we all have our individual stories, and, uh, they're all confused.
[laughs] Yeah.
Mine definitely are.

But it's only real in, in the relative senses that we, we call this memory, and yes, it's, it's real.
Yeah.

This memory is real Uh, when I started s- uh, practicing Chan, uh, and, and studying the Sutra of Hui Neng and so on, all those idea of, of what's real and so on, uh, got...
Yeah.
But I feel like isn't that, that's just, like, inherently human to have this curiosity.
I remember being, like-
...
in kindergarten and grade one and having these...
I used to pull up kids in the [laughs] in, like, you know, the schoolyard who, you know, I knew that their parents were, let's say, like, Christian or something.
And I would say, like, "What do you think..." You know, "You, you go to church on the weekend.
What do you think God is?" And that, this is, like, a, a five-year-old, two five-year-olds having this question.
And they would be like, "You know, he's this guy who sits in the clouds, and he, you know, he, he listens to us." And, and I would always kind of like Socratically, [laughs] like, challenge and stuff, but no one had to teach me to, how to do that, and no one had to teach these kids to have these, like, connections to some ineffable thing.
I feel like that's very human, and then we just kind of cobble narratives around it.
I don't know.
What do you think?

Well, I think we all have our individual stories, and, uh, they're all confused.
[laughs] Yeah.
Mine definitely are.

But it's only real in, in the relative senses that we, we call this memory, and yes, it's, it's real.
Yeah.

This memory is real Uh, when I started s- uh, practicing Chan, uh, and, and studying the Sutra of Hui Neng and so on, all those idea of, of what's real and so on, uh, got...
Yeah.
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