Herbert V. Günther

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And, you know, uh, it, it, it's this interesting process of, of, uh, discovering, uh, sunyata or emptiness or as, as my professor friend, uh, uh, Herbert Guenther s- said, uh, uh, "Emptiness might not be a good translation." Uh, you know, the Tibetan is stongpa nyid, and it more, uh, it more means, uh, fullness.

So even the ide- this idea of discovering emptiness is, is the same as, as discovering fullness.

So these, these interesting paradoxes-

Like they, like they, they really like, you know.

And that's why, again, one of the projects I'm working on is this biography of this man named Herbert Guenther who is v- inconceivable.

Like, this guy like taught himself Chinese and Sanskrit when he was like 12 years old.

And in 1950-- Like, he had two or three PhDs.